Lexus debuts 2016 GS F (Pictures Starting on Page 8)
11-04-15, 07:35 AM
#931
Lexus Champion
The GS is the lightest and best handling in its class, so naturally the GSF would be good too. It just needs an extra boost of power and it would've been more competitive with the big boys: AMG, M, V, and RS.
11-04-15, 08:07 AM
#932
Lexus Test Driver
He had me at it sounds better than M3 and M5. I'm sold guys. 
99.9% of the time I will never use all that power anyway. I have no problem getting to the grocery store a few seconds late, as long as it sounds good when I'm getting there.
99.9% of the time I will never use all that power anyway. I have no problem getting to the grocery store a few seconds late, as long as it sounds good when I'm getting there.
11-04-15, 12:13 PM
#934
Lexus Test Driver
If this is like the RCF then yes the amplified engine noise sounds very real and it just sounds as good on the outside. I didn't know if the sound is coming from the speakers when driving that car until I read it on here.
11-04-15, 02:07 PM
#936
Lexus Champion
Sport and Sport+ hone the throttle response, tailor the transmission’s shift character, and cue the enhanced engine note transmitted through the speakers. Chief engineer Yukihiko Yaguchi is quick to assert that Active Sound Control is not a synthesizer broadcasting phony motor music; rather, bad noise is electronically canceled with an out-of-phase signal and the choice notes are enhanced to produce a 7000-to-7300-rpm aria that no turbocharged engine can rival.
11-04-15, 06:15 PM
#938
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This is what the Car and Driver article stated about it:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
11-04-15, 06:19 PM
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11-04-15, 06:55 PM
#940
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Is 467 HP for a N/A V8 considered good? I know the other big dogs have supercharged or turbo, that's why they're making over 500 HP. I'm just wondering.. 
11-04-15, 07:16 PM
#941
Lexus Test Driver
You could probably get another 100 hp out of a 5.0L V8 normally aspirated engine, but it would be a full-fledged race engine and wouldn't be near as dependable enough for Lexus, and probably not idle very smoothly while waiting at a stoplight or in heavy traffic hooked up to an automatic transmission.
11-04-15, 07:47 PM
#942
Lexus Test Driver
You could probably get another 100 hp out of a 5.0L V8 normally aspirated engine, but it would be a full-fledged race engine and wouldn't be near as dependable enough for Lexus, and probably not idle very smoothly while waiting at a stoplight or in heavy traffic hooked up to an automatic transmission.
The ISF only makes 416 HP right? So they were able to squeeze out 50+ more out of this block.
The 8 speed transmission in our GS is the same one that's in the ISF and now GSF right?
11-04-15, 07:50 PM
#943
Lexus Test Driver
This is why the competition is turbo and supercharging. It fills in the torque gap without adding engine volume. Some of the more high strung 2 liters out there (Ecoboost) are running 300hp reliably, with equal torque. The GS200T (lol) and IS200T are further proof that Toyota hasn't been asleep, they just haven't shoved anything under hoods until now.
Here's the thing. Toyota is no stranger to turbocharging, but they are afraid of it. The 2JZ-GTE from the last Supra had a bottom end that could sustain 1000hp, from the factory. Engineers were afraid the bottom end parts would implode at some point, so they way, way over-engineered them. In their minds, they wanted the engine to be bulletproof for everyday driving, even if you wanted to beat on it, and they accomplished that goal. I imagine this same careful engineering is at work under the hood of everything they build, so they appear to be late to the party, but in reality, they're just now getting comfortable with the projected long term durability of the parts they've put together.
With the engine choices branching out across models now, and even Honda/Acura turbocharging, I think we're going to see a lot more from the F models in the next few years. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the next LS is late because a big turbo mill is going under the hood with 500+hp.
Sorry for all the rambling but this is my kind of question.
11-04-15, 08:08 PM
#944
Lexus Test Driver
It's very good for the block size, at the expense of torque. I guess it will make highway passing exciting. A more square block with less upper end horsepower and more torque would be preferable. When you drive what I call "square engines" where hp and torque matches, they tend to feel more robust at any speed because the torque and hp curves run parallel.
This is why the competition is turbo and supercharging. It fills in the torque gap without adding engine volume. Some of the more high strung 2 liters out there (Ecoboost) are running 300hp reliably, with equal torque. The GS200T (lol) and IS200T are further proof that Toyota hasn't been asleep, they just haven't shoved anything under hoods until now.
Here's the thing. Toyota is no stranger to turbocharging, but they are afraid of it. The 2JZ-GTE from the last Supra had a bottom end that could sustain 1000hp, from the factory. Engineers were afraid the bottom end parts would implode at some point, so they way, way over-engineered them. In their minds, they wanted the engine to be bulletproof for everyday driving, even if you wanted to beat on it, and they accomplished that goal. I imagine this same careful engineering is at work under the hood of everything they build, so they appear to be late to the party, but in reality, they're just now getting comfortable with the projected long term durability of the parts they've put together.
With the engine choices branching out across models now, and even Honda/Acura turbocharging, I think we're going to see a lot more from the F models in the next few years. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the next LS is late because a big turbo mill is going under the hood with 500+hp.
Sorry for all the rambling but this is my kind of question.
This is why the competition is turbo and supercharging. It fills in the torque gap without adding engine volume. Some of the more high strung 2 liters out there (Ecoboost) are running 300hp reliably, with equal torque. The GS200T (lol) and IS200T are further proof that Toyota hasn't been asleep, they just haven't shoved anything under hoods until now.
Here's the thing. Toyota is no stranger to turbocharging, but they are afraid of it. The 2JZ-GTE from the last Supra had a bottom end that could sustain 1000hp, from the factory. Engineers were afraid the bottom end parts would implode at some point, so they way, way over-engineered them. In their minds, they wanted the engine to be bulletproof for everyday driving, even if you wanted to beat on it, and they accomplished that goal. I imagine this same careful engineering is at work under the hood of everything they build, so they appear to be late to the party, but in reality, they're just now getting comfortable with the projected long term durability of the parts they've put together.
With the engine choices branching out across models now, and even Honda/Acura turbocharging, I think we're going to see a lot more from the F models in the next few years. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the next LS is late because a big turbo mill is going under the hood with 500+hp.
Sorry for all the rambling but this is my kind of question.