When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
Even with the next generation 5GS due in 2019, the 200t four cylinder turbo will be the bread and butter, while the 300t V6 twin turbo will probably sell in much smaller numbers, mainly to enthusiasts.
For example, recently I test drove the Benz E300 2.0 turbo, and the sales rep was telling me that the E300 4 cylinder turbo outsells the E400 V6 twin turbo, by around about 15:1, or something like that.
Enthusiasts won't initially like the 4 cylinder turbo, but the V6 turbo's future is unfortunately bleak, with electric vehicles just around the corner...
I think the Turbo was created for folks moving up from Honda Accords, Nissan Altimas and VW Passats. It's to help make the jump to Luxury not so severe. It's the Acura alternative.
although the USA is the largest market for Lexus, it does not just in US. there are other countries where taxes is base on the capacity of the engine. although i kind of agree that 200t is not at all powerful but in city driving, how much different does it makes and how many of you make full use of the 300+hp you have every time you drive?
i personally would like to see a v6 300e turbo for the entry level and the 400 and 500 turbo/twin turbo at the higher end to rival the German.
Even with the next generation 5GS due in 2019, the 200t four cylinder turbo will be the bread and butter, while the 300t V6 twin turbo will probably sell in much smaller numbers, mainly to enthusiasts.
For example, recently I test drove the Benz E300 2.0 turbo, and the sales rep was telling me that the E300 4 cylinder turbo outsells the E400 V6 twin turbo, by around about 15:1, or something like that.
Enthusiasts won't initially like the 4 cylinder turbo, but the V6 turbo's future is unfortunately bleak, with electric vehicles just around the corner...
Both you or your sales rep need to learn more about MB Eclass.
Eclass has two V6s:
1) 3.5 V6 which is the volume car (E350)
2) 3.0 biturbo V-6 (E400)
Both you or your sales rep need to learn more about MB Eclass.
Eclass has two V6s:
1) 3.5 V6 which is the volume car (E350)
2) 3.0 biturbo V-6 (E400)
It does come with 4cyl Diesel which nobody buys.
I forgot to add that I was on an overseas business trip when I test drove them.
I test drove a colleague's Tesla S at the same time too.
Everyone is encouraged to test drive the Tesla S; the Tesla S EV is absolutely amazing, and with air suspension too.
I think the end of the internal combustion engine ICE is near, and these small capacity turbos won't be used for much longer.
I don't think there's a lot of point debating between atmospheric V6's and small capacity four cylinder turbos.
Meanwhile, hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles, the infrastructure is too hard to set up.
EV's will really kick in at around 2020 to kill off the ICE after nearly 150 years of good use...
.
The 2011 Infiniti G25 came and went so fast. This probably will as well.
Damn right!
Originally Posted by 2SwiFt29
You failed man. Read what I wrote again. I'm talking about an F-Sport package on both the Base GS 200T and Base GS350. I wasn't comparing a GS 200T and a GS350 base. Please read carefully before responding. I don't need to Google pricing. I can just do the estimator online. You should too. You're asinine btw.
Here's the comparison. It saved both my configurations instead of googling it.
GS 200T F-Sport
GS350 F-Sport
Hahahahahaaaa!!! The 200 is more than 350. Nobody's gonna buy that.
Originally Posted by obturator
This looks as promising as the HS.
And it got killed fast. They should put that engine in the CT.
Originally Posted by bclexus
I have a RX200t loaner right now. I cannot imagine a GS with that 4 cylinder turbo 228 horsepower engine. Yuk!
There is RX200t too? Toyota needs to get serious with their cars and stop making these garbage. When will they realize that these cars are too heavy for this engine?!
Go full electric already and beat Tesla! Give us 1000 HP eGS.
I think the Turbo was created for folks moving up from Honda Accords, Nissan Altimas and VW Passats. It's to help make the jump to Luxury not so severe. It's the Acura alternative.
/shrugs
No doubt some buyers from those cars will move up to the GS200T. Nothing wrong with that. But there are also rich people who already own other more expensive cars in their stable (LFA, S-class/LS, LX570/Range Rover, etc) housed in their multiple homes, who just want to add a reliable moderately luxurious sedan like the 200T to suit their daily driving needs.....i.e. urban, bumper to bumper driving to the office. The 200T is more than up to that task.
Why not just get a Corolla? Well, the rich person is still rich, after all, and he doesn't have to deprive himself to that degree as to look comical to his family and friends. The car market is not binary. The choices are not limited to either a Corolla on one end or a Rolls Royce Phantom on the other. There are various grades in between, and thanks to Lexus for providing the GS200T as just another choice that fills a niche between those two extremes.
A one percenter (insanely rich guy) may buy the GS200T so as not to look like a one percenter (he may want to be seen as a 5 percenter or 10 percenter instead), and deflect attention from his $400K supercar that he uses only on weekends. In other words, the one percenter believes in the concept of "stealth wealth". Or the one percenter may purchase the 200T as a gift to a high school child as her first car. Or he could be buying three 200Ts at the same time since he has 3 high school kids.
The point being, unless you know the buyer's motivations and the context in which a car is being bought, you can't really conclude that the buyer is just an Accord driver trying to move up to his first luxury car in getting the GS200T.
A one percenter (insanely rich guy) may buy the GS200T so as not to look like a one percenter (he may want to be seen as a 5 percenter or 10 percenter instead), and deflect attention from his $400K supercar that he uses only on weekends. In other words, the one percenter believes in the concept of "stealth wealth". Or the one percenter may purchase the 200T as a gift to a high school child as her first car. Or he could be buying three 200Ts at the same time since he has 3 high school kids.
The point being, unless you know the buyer's motivations and the context in which a car is being bought, you can't really conclude that the buyer is just an Accord driver trying to move up to his first luxury car in getting the GS200T.
A rich guy wont buy a gs200t over a gs350. They can afford the 2 grand difference. Also nobody knows the difference in MSRP of a GS. By that logic the rich guy should buy the camry or avalon.
A rich guy wont buy a gs200t over a gs350. They can afford the 2 grand difference. Also nobody knows the difference in MSRP of a GS. By that logic the rich guy should buy the camry or avalon.
The thing about markets (and capitalism in general) is that we can't really assume that other market players will think the way we do. Just because I may prefer the GS350 doesn't mean another buyer may not prefer the GS200T based on his own inner logic and circumstances. As I said above, the car market isn't binary. There is not just a Corolla at one end and a RR Phantom at the other.
12-18-15, 02:46 PM
You're asinine btw. 
