GS - 4th Gen (2013-2020) Discussion about the 2013 and up GS models

Car stalls while stopped in Drive, when brake pressed firmly

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-21-16 | 10:39 PM
  #16  
coolsaber's Avatar
coolsaber
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 4,086
Likes: 275
From: In your head
Default

If the car is stalling then thats not normal Hil start will never turn the vehicle off. It will only hold the vehicle in idle. but if your is stalling then thats an issue the dealer needs to address.

BTW, when the car stalls, did you press both the accelerator and brake? or simply smashing the brake pedal to the floor
Old 01-22-16 | 05:04 AM
  #17  
Mike728's Avatar
Mike728
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,897
Likes: 706
From: IL
Default

Originally Posted by coolsaber
If the car is stalling then thats not normal Hil start will never turn the vehicle off. It will only hold the vehicle in idle. but if your is stalling then thats an issue the dealer needs to address.

BTW, when the car stalls, did you press both the accelerator and brake? or simply smashing the brake pedal to the floor
Does't sound like he means the car "stalls", just won't roll when he lets off the brake.

Originally Posted by cmdace18
I am at a stop light after driving for a bit. Car in drive obviously, foot on brake. If I press the brake very firmly, almost to where it hits the floor board, the slip indicator light comes on and flashes, and call stalls (or goes into idle). I am forced to shift car into park, and then shift back into drive. Or I have to turn car off, and back on again.
As others have stated, good thing he came on here and asked, before wasting his time at the dealer.
Old 01-22-16 | 09:16 AM
  #18  
bclexus's Avatar
bclexus
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 9,644
Likes: 2,332
From: Texas
Default

Simultaneous application of both accelerator and brake pedals (at certain speeds and driving conditions) will purposely cut engine power. I do not know what the 'certain speeds and driving conditions' are that cause this event of the engine to cut power. However, if [having] stopped on a hill and when trying to get started without having the vehicle roll backward the driver applies both the accelerator and brake pedals at the same time it may cause the engine to stall, or to feel like it has stalled.
Old 01-22-16 | 09:27 AM
  #19  
JDR76's Avatar
JDR76
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 12,559
Likes: 1,630
From: WA
Default

Originally Posted by bclexus
Simultaneous application of both accelerator and brake pedals (at certain speeds and driving conditions) will purposely cut engine power. I do not know what the 'certain speeds and driving conditions' are that cause this event of the engine to cut power. However, if [having] stopped on a hill and when trying to get started without having the vehicle roll backward the driver applies both the accelerator and brake pedals at the same time it may cause the engine to stall, or to feel like it has stalled.
I found this about those "certain speeds and driving conditions":

Smart-Stop technology is essentially a brake override system; when engaged, it automatically reduces engine power when the brake and gas pedal are applied simultaneously. It can only engage when the throttle opening is greater than one-third, the vehicle speed is above 5 miles per hour and the brakes are applied firmly.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/09/l...e-made-common/
Old 01-22-16 | 09:29 AM
  #20  
bclexus's Avatar
bclexus
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 9,644
Likes: 2,332
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by JDR76
I found this about those "certain speeds and driving conditions":

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/09/l...e-made-common/
Thanks for that! I do recall reading that information some time ago. Thanks again for the refresher.
Old 01-22-16 | 03:50 PM
  #21  
AL13NV8D3R's Avatar
AL13NV8D3R
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,020
Likes: 34
From: Tennessee
Default

When you step on the brake and gas at the same time your engine cuts power to prevent unintended acceleration. This technology is call smart stop technology. When toyota vehicles accelerate and would not stop because of a stuck gas pedal it made toyota design a system that will prevent this by cutting power and overide the gas pedal to safely stop even though the gas pedal is stuck at full throttle.

The side effect of this tech is you can no longer brake torque your car to get the car to launch harder during a drag race.because the car senses that you want to brake and accelerate at same time an will cut power which is bad for racing
Old 01-22-16 | 05:00 PM
  #22  
JDR76's Avatar
JDR76
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 12,559
Likes: 1,630
From: WA
Default

^^ Smart stop doesn't work unless you're going at least 5 mph so you should still be good to go.
Old 01-23-16 | 03:01 PM
  #23  
AL13NV8D3R's Avatar
AL13NV8D3R
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,020
Likes: 34
From: Tennessee
Default

Originally Posted by JDR76
^^ Smart stop doesn't work unless you're going at least 5 mph so you should still be good to go.
For some reason when i hold the brake moderatly and floor the gass pedal I lose power. I even tried it the other way aroung and press lightly on the gas pedal so i can have some rpms on thd take and under 5 mph i still lose engine power. I even tried this while in park with emergency brake on and as soon as i rev the engine while stepping on the brake I lose engine power even though I am going zero miles per hour.
Old 01-23-16 | 03:13 PM
  #24  
JDR76's Avatar
JDR76
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 12,559
Likes: 1,630
From: WA
Default

Interesting. I tried it today and it worked for me. Left foot on brake while stopped and right foot pressing on the gas and didn't experience any fuel cut off.
Old 01-23-16 | 03:22 PM
  #25  
AL13NV8D3R's Avatar
AL13NV8D3R
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,020
Likes: 34
From: Tennessee
Default

Originally Posted by JDR76
Interesting. I tried it today and it worked for me. Left foot on brake while stopped and right foot pressing on the gas and didn't experience any fuel cut off.
Yeah i know right? It sucks for me especially I regularly take my GS to the track. Brake torqueing my car would be lots of fun . Maby i have a revised version of smart stop.
Old 01-26-16 | 04:31 AM
  #26  
cmdace18's Avatar
cmdace18
Thread Starter
Driver
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
From: West Palm Beach, FL
Default

Originally Posted by jcochong37
Try it again, this time step on the gas or let off the brake and wait a couple of seconds. Pressing the brake pedal firmly until the traction light flashes indicates hill assist. Meaning it'll hold your brake for a few seconds before releasing; this way you don't roll back and love tap the car behind you. disengages after a few seconds or when the gas pedal is depressed.

Now if your engine turns completely off there's something wrong with your hill assist.
Ding Ding Ding.

You guys are the best, def. saved me a trip to the dealer.

I am either able to hit the gas, or wait 3 seconds after the traction light appears.

Thanks!
Old 01-26-16 | 06:09 AM
  #27  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 58,081
Likes: 2,786
From: Maryland
Default

Glad it worked out!

That's a feature I didn't realize it had until i'd had it for 2 years lol
Old 01-26-16 | 06:40 AM
  #28  
jcochong37's Avatar
jcochong37
Rookie
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 85
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by cmdace18
Ding Ding Ding.

You guys are the best, def. saved me a trip to the dealer.

I am either able to hit the gas, or wait 3 seconds after the traction light appears.

Thanks!
Glad it worked out! Enjoy!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
DarKnight
LS - 4th Gen (2007-2017)
11
11-28-16 04:59 PM
Taz68
GS - 4th Gen (2013-2020)
13
11-07-16 04:32 AM
Joshtg
RX - 1st Gen (1999-2003)
2
10-21-16 03:16 PM
Koz
GX - 2nd Gen (2010-2023)
8
02-07-11 12:10 PM
ripe911
ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006)
10
12-12-02 05:16 PM



Quick Reply: Car stalls while stopped in Drive, when brake pressed firmly



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:07 PM.