SW17LS

The reason they aren't moving the GS is that they aren't running deals on them. When I got my GS and the couple years after that the GS was a killer lease deal, that's what you need to compete in that segment because the 5 and E are a great lease.

bb700092

The GS only needs to shed 300 lbs and make AVS with Sport+ mode standard. That will differentiate it from the ES and justify the price difference and enhance both performance and fuel economy. Everything else is truly great about this car.

ssmoked

yeah then everyone will be ******!ng about rattles and cheap quality material. Someone will always complain about something

bclexus

Sales numbers for Lexus non-SUV vehicles in 2016 are miserable compared to 2015.

2015 USA Sales:
Lexus ES: 64,969
Lexus IS: 46,430
Lexus GS: 23,117
Lexus CT: 14,657

2016 USA Sales:
Lexus ES: 58,299 ‐10% compared to 2015
Lexus IS: 37,289 ‐19.4% compared to 2015
Lexus GS: 14,878 ‐35.4% compared to 2015
Lexus CT: 8,903 ‐39.1% compared to 2015

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bb700092

True, because there is no perfect car. However, there is no excuse for the GS 200T to weigh the same as the GS 350.

ssmoked

uh do you want an engineless car? The GS200T has almost identical interior as GS350 and there isn't much weight difference in a 4 banger with turbo and a six.

Where and how would you cut weight?

ssmoked

Lexus needs a complete overhaul and make the cars (engine/tech) exciting again without raising prices much and copying the Germans with ridiculous option premiums. On most catagories besides reliability, Lexus lags way behind its peers. Most people buy new and can afford 40-100k+ cars doesnt really care about reliability since there is a 5 year warranty. Only people that care is buying second hand after being abused by a leasee.

the GS will sell if a new and more powerful engine is introduced to stir excitement. At the same time I dont see that happen since the GSF is having a very very hard time even selling at 68k with a 20k discount. So the MSRP does not and will not work for a new/ next model from current GS pricing

The CT should flat out be discountinued. A 4 cylinder RAV4 is more exciting to drive. Most tree huggers already reserved Tesla Model 3 and are skipping gas all together.

danwlee

In the 6 months i've owned my GSF, i've only seen one other on the road (and only a handful of 4G GS's) where I live in Central Ohio. I personally enjoy the "exclusivity"

And to each their own on the front ends. I would never have considered a pre-2016 GS because those looked like another "boring" Lexus to me. It's the new gen styling that actually brought me over to Lexus.

bb700092

Here is my observation:
The 4-cyl midsize sedans (e.g. Camry, Accord, Altima) weigh around 3200 lbs.
The V6 midsize/large sedans (e.g. Avalon, Maxima, ES, Q50) weigh around 3500 lbs.
The 4-cyl/V6 midsize/large luxury sedans (e.g. GS, E-class, 5-series, Q70) weigh around 3800 lbs.

So it seems the weight is a function of the class and not necessarily of the engine displacement or size of the car. If that is the case, what is the benefit of offering a 4-cyl in the GS class? Just because MB, BMW and Audi do it? By the way, their sales of 4-cyl are not great either. So the offering of 4-cyl in this class is in question.

How the weight should be reduced without compromising quality is for the Lexus engineers to decide. While the ES feels like a match box after driving the GS, the Maxima still feels solid and well-built. It is very much possible to reduce the GS' weight and I am sure the Lexus engineers can do it if they invest some effort in that direction. That is the easiest way to get better performance and fuel economy without redesigning engine, transmission, etc. thereby not compromising on the reliability that Lexus is known for.

bb700092

Completely agree. Kudos to Lexus for having the guts to come up with such polarizing design in 4GS and making it more polarizing since 2016. And it is a good thing that Lexus dealers are not reducing prices even though the GS sales are decreasing. That will hold the value of the car by making it more exclusive.

bclexus

I went to my local Starbucks earlier this week. In the parking lot of about 36-40 vehicles there was three other GS 350s. I see GS 350s all the time. 50%+ of the vehicles here (in West Plano, TX) are Lexus, BMW, M-B, Audi or Infiniti. And, we have tons of exotic supercars driving the streets too.

peteharvey

Yes, the style from the 2016 4.5GS midlife facelift has made my 2015 4GS look a little dated.
The 2019 5GS will make my 4GS look even older again.
That's life...

btanchors

Only 615 units in May? Thank goodness I purchased mine in May, I added a sizable percentage to their sales!

I have mixed feelings about sales of the GS in particular. The GS I just purchased (which replaced my old 2003 GS430) is the perfect mix of size, sporty handling, luxury, and reliability/low cost of maintenance. I just don't understand why this model does not get more love from the public. Maybe my tastes are out of line with the rest of the public, but I love my GS's!

I will say, on the other hand, it's nice to own something that isn't all that common. Even within the GS line, I think I have the only GS in the country with my color scheme and options. I looked at Lexus websites across the country, literally, probably over 100 Lexus dealers, and the one I bought is unique, as far as I can tell.

Dallasguy1

IS350 Fsports is worth more then GS350 Fsports in Dallas 😬

islandbeef

Ah well. They will stop building the GS eventually. The value will definitely go up with niche buyers.