Is Lexus killing (discontinuing) the GS Line ? (Merged threads)
08-11-18, 04:25 AM
#166
LCF mules have already been spotted which will likely have a twin turbo V8, they could simply make a new GS with the LS' twin turbo v6 and it would be extremely competitive performance wise. Then use the new LCF engine in the F cars.
08-11-18, 06:59 AM
#167
might as well just stick that LFA engine into the lcf. At the cost they’re gonna list the lcf at theyll probably rarely move anyways
08-13-18, 03:38 PM
#168
Lexus Fanatic
I am no fan of turbo engines. But, you do realize that doing this would put it awfully close to a GSF in performance? Acceleration might also be a bit faster due to the boost. It would need to be retuned to allow for a big enough performance gap between the GS350, or whatever they call it, and the GSF. The numbers after the model designation actually mean nothing these days at Lexus and a lot of other car companies. An IS300 was actually called an IS200T, what it actually is, in 2017 but changed to an IS300 in 2018. Makes absolutely no sense to me. The new LS500 is not an LS500 at all, it's an LS350T in my mind
Lou
Lou
08-13-18, 07:53 PM
#169
08-14-18, 03:51 AM
#170
Driver School Candidate
I just bought a new GS350 F While in the process of getting quotes from dealers in South FL I received the following in part of an email message from an Internet Sales Rep of a dealer. For 2019 Lexus will not be making a Gs however will make a 2019 ES Fsport! So if you would like to come in to do numbers this weekend we can find a car for you! I just want to be transparent with you ! The 2019 will arrive in November!
08-14-18, 05:40 AM
#171
I just bought a new GS350 F While in the process of getting quotes from dealers in South FL I received the following in part of an email message from an Internet Sales Rep of a dealer. For 2019 Lexus will not be making a Gs however will make a 2019 ES Fsport! So if you would like to come in to do numbers this weekend we can find a car for you! I just want to be transparent with you ! The 2019 will arrive in November!
08-14-18, 05:48 AM
#172
Lead Lap
November??? They just started rolling off the line in Georgetown. Shouldn't take 4 months to get from Kentucky to Florida. Stupid. (speaking of the ES)
Lol I did see, that wasn't sure why it would take so long to get to dealerships.
Lol I did see, that wasn't sure why it would take so long to get to dealerships.
Last edited by bigblack06; 08-14-18 at 06:06 AM.
08-15-18, 08:25 AM
#173
Lexus Fanatic
They may just be skipping a year between GS generations and not killing it. Dealerships do not know more then we do if the model is being killed. In no way could a f sport ES take the place of a GS or be competitive against a 5 series or E class. It is still a very important segment, I just can not see Lexus killing the GS.
Last edited by UDel; 08-15-18 at 07:40 PM.
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08-15-18, 08:58 AM
#174
Lexus Champion
They may just be skipping a year between GS generations and not killing it. Dealerships do not know more then we do if the model is being killed. In no way could a f sport ES take the place of a GS or be competitive against a 5 series or ES. It is still a very important segment, I just can not see Lexus killing the GS.
Yesterday I watched the Redline Review on Youtube of the new ES F Sport. You should have heard the front wheels squealing as they begged for traction to get the car moving. I like the new ES (a lot, actually) but it's no GS replacement. I hope Lexus realizes this.
08-15-18, 09:38 AM
#175
Intermediate
Many automakers are replacing RWD vehicles with FWD ones. An example is the Infiniti EX35/EX37/QX50. I loved to drive its last gen RWD version (haven't driven the current gen FWD). There are a number of advantages of FWD over RWD, such as lower weight, less space, better mpg, and probably less cost to manufacture. Audi has shown the world that good driving dynamics can be achieved in FWD vehicles (e.g. A6 is as good as GS in terms of driving dynamics). Now whether Lexus will be able to achieve GS-like driving dynamics with the new ES remains to be seen.
08-15-18, 09:50 AM
#176
Lexus Champion
Note that the A6 has good handling despite being FWD in part due to its longitudinally mounted engine and its AWD, two things the new ES does not have.
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08-15-18, 10:45 AM
#177
I just don’t see any possibility of Lexus abandoning the Executive midsize performance sedan segment. Worst case scenario Lexus will skip the 2019 MY of the GS like they did in 2012 and go straight to 2020 with the newly redesigned model. The ES will be a ES. Everything I watched and read about the 2019 ES says it’s better than the one it replaces, but it’s not a competitor to any of the German competition. I just hope Lexus redesigns the GS model lineup to be a 4 door coupé instead of the traditional 3 box design. My 4GS still satisfies me but, I’m getting a itch for more power for my daily driver and have been searching for used BMW 550i xdrives as of lately. The alternative optional would be for me to keep my GS350 AWD and spend $8k on RR racing’s 500hp supercharger kit and a front and rear big brake upgrade. I’m satisfied with most of things the GS does, power is adequate, but I wan’t V8 performance and AWD traction with a rearwheel power bias.
2 other indicator that Lexus isn’t replacing the GS with the ES are in their press material they describe the ES as a entry level premium sedan and they named its main competitors as the Infiniti Q50 and Acura TLX. Next they priced the ES350 at under $40k before destination fee. The price differential between that ES and the LS is $30k plus dollars. That’s a huge leap for someone who wants a car that’s a little bit more special and rare than the run of the mill ES that we all will see everywhere once it goes on sale. I know some of you will argue “optional packages will close that gap” and your right, but only by about $12-15k. The most expensive ES will mostly likely top out at $53-55k. I know Leuxs has some thing special up it’s sleeve I hope it favors the LC500 and has 4 doors. Fingers are crossed with checkbook in the other hand.
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08-15-18, 11:17 AM
#178
Lexus Test Driver
I just don’t see any possibility of Lexus abandoning the Executive midsize performance sedan segment. Worst case scenario Lexus will skip the 2019 MY of the GS like they did in 2012 and go straight to 2020 with the newly redesigned model. The ES will be a ES. Everything I watched and read about the 2019 ES says it’s better than the one it replaces, but it’s not a competitor to any of the German competition. I just hope Lexus redesigns the GS model lineup to be a 4 door coupé instead of the traditional 3 box design. My 4GS still satisfies me but, I’m getting a itch for more power for my daily driver and have been searching for used BMW 550i xdrives as of lately. The alternative optional would be for me to keep my GS350 AWD and spend $8k on RR racing’s 500hp supercharger kit and a front and rear big brake upgrade. I’m satisfied with most of things the GS does, power is adequate, but I wan’t V8 performance and AWD traction with a rearwheel power bias.
2 other indicator that Lexus isn’t replacing the GS with the ES are in their press material they describe the ES as a entry level premium sedan and they named its main competitors as the Infiniti Q50 and Acura TLX. Next they priced the ES350 at under $40k before destination fee. The price differential between that ES and the LS is $30k plus dollars. That’s a huge leap for someone who wants a car that’s a little bit more special and rare than the run of the mill ES that we all will see everywhere once it goes on sale. I know some of you will argue “optional packages will close that gap” and your right, but only by about $12-15k. The most expensive ES will mostly likely top out at $53-55k. I know Leuxs has some thing special up it’s sleeve I hope it favors the LC500 and has 4 doors. Fingers are crossed with checkbook in the other hand.
Last edited by np20412; 08-15-18 at 11:20 AM.
08-15-18, 11:41 AM
#179
Thanks for detailed follow up on what RR racing is capable of, regardless if their kit only makes 500hp/490 at the crank or only 412 wheel hp it should definitely be a big improvement over the adequate performance from my mostly stock daily driver GS350 AWD. Keep in mind I won’t be doing and major exhaust mods any way as it’s my daily driver vehicle and I don’t want a loud car as my daily. One of my weekend monster happens to be a very loud 2014 C63 with 460whp. I love my GS, and I pray to replace it with 5th generation GS. But the modded GS are just ideas I throwing around in case the 5GS never sees the light of day.
08-15-18, 12:03 PM
#180
Lexus Test Driver
Thanks for detailed follow up on what RR racing is capable of, regardless if their kit only makes 500hp/490 at the crank or only 412 wheel hp it should definitely be a big improvement over the adequate performance from my mostly stock daily driver GS350 AWD. Keep in mind I won’t be doing and major exhaust mods any way as it’s my daily driver vehicle and I don’t want a loud car as my daily. One of my weekend monster happens to be a very loud 2014 C63 with 460whp. I love my GS, and I pray to replace it with 5th generation GS. But the modded GS are just ideas I throwing around in case the 5GS never sees the light of day.