What are you talking about Lexus won’t miss any of us?

You obviously don’t understand the importance of consumer brand ambassadorship. Why do you think Ford required potential GT owners to have a social media following and they requested that the owners take the GT out and drive them to car shows. Ford understands the power of social media and loyal consumer brand ambassadors. Lexus is no different they lost money on every LFA they sold, but it was important to the brands sporty image to pursue the development of the LFA.

The same can be said for GS and RC. They may not sell 50k copies a year, But when you see one it will turn more heads than the sea of boring ES’s driving the highways everyday. I get compliments from onlookers all the time when filing the tank of my GS up at the local shell station. I can’t recollect once that I ever got a complement when I pushed a very clean Lexus ES.

Have you ever counted how many 4 door sedans-esque cars it’s competitors make ? Let’s count them!

(6)Mercedes A-class, CLA-class, C-class, E-class, CLS-class, S-class

(7)BMW 1 series, 2 series gran coupé, 3 series, 4 series gran coupé, 5 series, 6 series gran coupé, 7 series

(6)Audi A3, A4, A5 Sportback, A6, A7, A8

Lexus makes 4 distinct sedans and your saying they make too many sedans?

I have to ask you what is your definition of selling well?

The GS sells just fine. Over its 25 year lifespan it has averaged about 15k copies in the US a year. The CLS, 6 seres GC, A7, Jaguar XF all sell far less copies per year and no one is ranting about the cancellation of those sedans,

I can’t understand why other automakers are allowed to go about their daily business with niché market vehicles, but if Lexus does it, it’s a problem.

What’s stupid is golden opportunity event is the even that’s suppose to clear out old inventory with the best deals on old MY but after this disappointing event this year they added an additional 1.5k to bump up lease cash to 5.5k for the 2018 this month

The GS is nearing the end of its “planned 7 year lifecycle”. Sales always drop when a car gets this old. If you don’t believe me look at the sales of the equally old Audi A6 and A7. The A6 is only beating the GS by 300 units for the year. The A7 is doing even worst with only 1800 units for the year. The slightly newer CTS which debuted in ‘14 is tied with the 4GS at about 5k units this year. Audi has confirmed it’s debuting a new A6 & A7 in the spring. It is expected the CTS will get a replacement too. I’m quite sure the sales would jump significantly once these sedans get their respective replacements, the same can be said for the 5GS when it’s turn comes.


The GS and GSF are the same vehicle with the obvious point being the F has a large V8 engine. But both are old cars 7 and 4 years old. I’m sure no one is going to a Audi dealer to check out their 8 year old A6 and A7. My point is the same could be said for many vehicles that are over 5 years into their lifecycle. It doesn’t change the fact that the GS has a very large diehard and outspoken fan base.

Please explain to us what shareholder value has to do with a large corporation like GM or Toyota decisions to launch new and improved vehicles. (Corporations react the consumer demands.)

Yes I agree cars aren’t selling as well as trucks and SUV’s. That mostly has to do with consumer trends which come and go. At one time coupes held majority stake, then station wagons had their turn, sedans and now SUV’s. Doesn’t mean you stop producing your core performance models that showcase the companies engineering prowess just because they’ve taken a back seat in sales to a newer emerging vehicle segment.


And you seriously stumped me here, I had to go back and check my post x2 to see what you were referring to. Couldn’t find the slightest inclination of myself saying Toyota cares about what I think, Please explain where I ever stated Lexus/Toyota cares what I think?

Tesla isn’t really delivering anything. It’s a bunch of people jumping on a hype train hoping the company doesn’t fold cause they can’t get their manufacturing issues fix. Musk is a great visionary but implementation sucks. He’s not a good hands on person which is why he lives at the factory trying to fix his mistakes. Article also states those numbers are estimates cause Tesla doesn’t report their numbers. If they were that good then I’d be showing them off to prove to the world this car is breaking the car industry but it isn’t. The Tesla store by me has a ton of inventory but they aren’t moving because of the lack of superchargers and the “35k” ev car is actually 60k minimum.

it’s easy to be a visionary but implementation is another story. The first roadster didn’t take off because the tech wasn’t there yet. The current models work because they are more family friendly and charging infrastructure for ev has come a long way. Cheaper batteries also help but cost still sucks. Do they sell a lot more? Yes but they haven’t become profitable yet. There’s a reason they don’t release their sales numbers. Just like how Apple doesn’t release their Apple Watch numbers. They’re not great.

Toyota was first to the market with the hybrid tech and they have complete ev available but it doesn’t take off because it doesn’t have the blistering stats that the Tesla has because it increases costs and stress on the car so not ideal for widespread implementation. Have they failed in some implementations of the hybrid? Yea I’d say the gs is an example. If they could’ve stepped up the performance and mpg it would have been better but premium wasn’t worth it and I feel it increased the cost of the gsf because there had to be a premium on the top spec gs which was the gs450h