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Does anyone here honestly believe that GS sales have slowed because of the wheels? Really? Not because of shrinking sedan demand? Not because the GS in its current form has been out since 2012?
Does anyone here honestly believe that GS sales have slowed because of the wheels? Really? Not because of shrinking sedan demand? Not because the GS in its current form has been out since 2012?
but of course.. it is obvious... as obvious as most speculation on this thread I like the wheels on the prefacelift a 100times more. The wheels post facelift oozes"toyota" for me... They detract from the "executive feel" the car actually stands for. I would change them on the showroom floor. With the prefacelift there is no after market wheels that look as good on the car.. my opinion of course..
Does anyone here honestly believe that GS sales have slowed because of the wheels? Really? Not because of shrinking sedan demand? Not because the GS in its current form has been out since 2012?
I really wish they'd make a touring wagon, the sedan just doesn't make sense and I'll never own an SUV.
I really wish they'd make a touring wagon, the sedan just doesn't make sense and I'll never own an SUV.
you know. the hype is not all it makes out to be... The GS has one of the biggest trunks in the business (bigger then the new ES). Bigger than an RX. It is nowhere near as noisy as a RX and more comfortable seats added to that it is lighter on fuel... Only that you sit higher in the RX...
you know. the hype is not all it makes out to be... The GS has one of the biggest trunks in the business (bigger then the new ES). Bigger than an RX. It is nowhere near as noisy as a RX and more comfortable seats added to that it is lighter on fuel... Only that you sit higher in the RX...
I'm not interested in SUVs either... The GS boot's practicality is limited bexause it's low, albeit rather deep and the seats don't go down. I couldn't get my dropsaw in the car, I had to borrow my wife's small hatchback. Having owned a full sized wagon before buying the GS I'm having to hire utes to move things around, although owning the GS is well worth the occasional inconvenience.
Just saying, a GS wagon would be the best of all worlds. Low, sleek and insanely practical.
Good to see I’m not the odd man out as I thought. We’ve had SUVs for a while, but because we can’t find decent wagons, except maybe the Outback. To me they are the ideal vehicle. When we were in Japan last summer, I was amazed at how many cool wagons there were. Tons and tons of vans too, but not like you see in the states. There were anything from micro vans like the Scion toaster, but with an extra row of seats to maxi vans way, way bigger than the Toyota Sienna. Some with TRD or some other sports package. Many of them with tiny donut wheels, so no wheel wells protruding into the cabin. Very few if anything “rolling on 20s+.” Don’t recall seeing a Lexus wagon, but VW, Audi, Benz, BMW all had their standard series in wagons represented. Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Suzuki, etc., all had cool wagons we never see in the US. don’t recall seeing Civics or Accords, but these cool looking in some cases futuristic wagons and hatchbacks.
Not it everything is micro sized like were told, they have Toyota Tundras, full sized dump trucks and other large vehicles like busses, etc. running around too, so it isn’t as though they couldn’t get something like that down the street. Parking is an issue, but again, a wagon can take as much room to park as an SUV. There’s just no stigma with wagons apparently. Interestingly, there’s plenty of stigma with vans, but we have plenty of those. I personally wish we could get half of those vehicles here. I’m also a drummer and need to get a full set of drums and equipment to gigs now and then. Trips to Home Depot also justify a bit more vertical loading space that can’t be accommodated by a sedan. Even the micro vans in Japan would haul more than a sedan could, but unless were rolling on monster tires, or monster rims with rubber band tires, we’re not cool, so I guess SUVs are it.
What's killing the GS is the ES, this is the same as the 6 Series BMW and CLS Mercedes, I don't see that many on the road vs. the 5 Series and E Class.
This is the hierarchy: Not comparing price but this is how the market sees it.
BMW 2 Series = Lexus CT = Mercedes CLA Class (Entry level) but the CT is already dead
BMW 3 Series = Lexus IS = Mercedes C Class
BMW 5 Series = Lexus ES = Mercedes E Class
BMW 6 Series = Lexus GS = Mercedes CLS Class (Slowest selling of all)
BMW 7 Series = Lexus LS = Mercedes S Class (Flagship model)
What's killing the GS is the ES, this is the same as the 6 Series BMW and CLS Mercedes, I don't see that many on the road vs. the 5 Series and E Class.
This is the hierarchy: Not comparing price but this is how the market sees it.
BMW 2 Series = Lexus CT = Mercedes CLA Class (Entry level) but the CT is already dead
BMW 3 Series = Lexus IS = Mercedes C Class
BMW 5 Series = Lexus ES = Mercedes E Class
BMW 6 Series = Lexus GS = Mercedes CLS Class (Slowest selling of all)
BMW 7 Series = Lexus LS = Mercedes S Class (Flagship model)
This is very accurate. Unfortunately, its all perception and misconception when it comes to the ES being on par with the 5 series and E class but thats what the average consumer sees. I can see that Lexus tried to move the vehicle somewhat upmarket with the price point and some new options/tech. As I mentioned in a previous post, the 2019 F Sport ES at my local dealership's showroom was around 55K with a lot of options.
I'd never pay that price for an ES - i'd much rather a GS...but I represent the minority! Sales rules all - as SUVs continue to get car-like gas mileage and command only a slight premium over a sedan, maybe even the ES will be in trouble a few years from now when everyone buys a UX or NX or RX instead of a 40-55k ES sedan...
12-10-18, 01:20 PM
I like the wheels on the prefacelift a 100times more. The wheels post facelift oozes"toyota" for me... They detract from the "executive feel" the car actually stands for. I would change them on the showroom floor. With the prefacelift there is no after market wheels that look as good on the car.. my opinion of course..
