Should I buy a 2015 Lexus GS350 F Sport?
05-13-18 | 08:12 AM
#16
Do not get the GS300/200T.. I know GS not a sports car, but gs300 is slower than a civic. You don’t want that.
GS’ resale value is so bad, it’s the only car I’ll ever even think about buying used (all our cars are bought new). Or lease the car.
As someone mentioned, I think waiting til December to buy a CPO GS will get you the best deal.
if buying new, make sure you get at least 20-25% off the MSRP. Sounds crazy, but GS’ value doesn’t stay up like other Toyota/Lexus.
have you driven a Q50 yet? It’s a pretty good car. Go test drive a Q50 3.0T Sport. It’s about $10-15k cheaper than the GS. Still a very nice car. The size might fit you better for a single guy. Smaller, more nimble, easier to park, better gas mileage, non-staggered tires, etc. We just bought one. I know some people give it bad reviews, but never figured out why. I’m talking the Sport, not the 400hp red sport.
both cars do NOT have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, which are a must for me for next car.
GS’ resale value is so bad, it’s the only car I’ll ever even think about buying used (all our cars are bought new). Or lease the car.
As someone mentioned, I think waiting til December to buy a CPO GS will get you the best deal.
if buying new, make sure you get at least 20-25% off the MSRP. Sounds crazy, but GS’ value doesn’t stay up like other Toyota/Lexus.
have you driven a Q50 yet? It’s a pretty good car. Go test drive a Q50 3.0T Sport. It’s about $10-15k cheaper than the GS. Still a very nice car. The size might fit you better for a single guy. Smaller, more nimble, easier to park, better gas mileage, non-staggered tires, etc. We just bought one. I know some people give it bad reviews, but never figured out why. I’m talking the Sport, not the 400hp red sport.
both cars do NOT have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, which are a must for me for next car.
Last edited by joedaddy1; 05-13-18 at 08:19 AM.
05-13-18 | 09:15 AM
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If money is no hardship, buy new. If you only keep it a few years and trade in, buy new. If you are incapable or unwilling to do any sort of maintenance or due diligence on a purchase, buy new. People like me depend on people that buy new to get our second hand jewels for 1/2 price. It leaves a lot of money free to do other things. 
05-13-18 | 09:19 AM
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What is your experience with a GS300/200T?
A few numbers in secs (ref. https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...0-mph-times/):
2016 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport 0-60 mph 5.8 | Quarter mile 14.3
2017 Lexus GS 200T 0-60 mph 6.6 | Quarter mile 14.9
The GS 200T times probably would have been better if it was a F-Sport and that would be an apples-to-apples comparison. Nevertheless, a difference of 0.6-0.8 seconds is nothing given that a base GS 200T is $4400 less than a base GS350.
Both the Accord 2.0T and Civic Type R are faster than the GS350. The overweight of GS350 is the cause. A few more numbers (https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...0-mph-times/):
2018 Honda Accord Touring 2.0T Sedan 0-60 mph 5.5 | Quarter mile 14.1
2017 Honda Civic Type R 0-60 mph 4.9 | Quarter mile 13.5
But the non-Type R Civic is slower than a GS 200T:
2017 Honda Civic Sport 1.5T Hatchback 0-60 mph 7.0 | Quarter mile 15.2
2017 Honda Civic Sport Touring 1.5T Hatchback 0-60 mph 6.9 | Quarter mile 15.4
So whenever the Civic is faster than the GS 200T, it is faster than the GS350 as well. And when the Civic is slower than the GS350, it is slower than the GS 200T as well. Bottomline: The GS350 and GS 200T are not that different in terms of being fast.
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05-13-18 | 09:20 AM
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The GS350 is one of the slowest vehicles in its class. Toyotas are almost always slower (and arguably less tight handling) than Hondas in the same class. Here is a comparison between the 2018 Camry V6 (naturally aspirated) and the 2018 Accord 2.0T by Fastlane Car. The 0-60 test starts just after 12:30 mins in the video.
Last edited by bb700092; 05-13-18 at 09:39 AM.
05-13-18 | 09:40 AM
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People who are hands on with a lot of experience can surely save by buying used. However, the "1/2 price" is a misnomer because brand new GS's sell for 10-20% off of MSRP. So it is foolish for used car buyers to calculate savings with respect to MSRP. This is what used car sellers routinely and deliberately do to show the value of their product but used car buyers ought to know better and not fall prey to that gimmick.
05-13-18 | 10:07 AM
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05-13-18 | 12:57 PM
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Say $53k to $58k for MSRP less a 10% to 20% discount equals ~$42k - $52k new car sales price so $47,000 +/- 5% should be about the average price paid across the entire model spectrum.
2018 Pre-owned sales price at 1 year old = ~$41k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -12% off the new purchase price = $6,000 depreciation
2017 Pre-owned sales price at 2 years old = ~$37k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -21% off the new purchase price = $10,000 depreciation
2016 Pre-owned sales price at 3 years old = ~$33k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -30% off the new purchase price = $13,500 depreciation
2015 Pre-owned sales price at 4 years old = ~$30k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -36% off the new purchase price = $16,500 depreciation
2014 Pre-owned sales price at 5 years old = ~$27k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -43% off the new purchase price = $20,000 depreciation
2013 Pre-owned sales price at 6 years old = ~$23k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -51% off the new purchase price = $24,000 depreciation
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05-13-18 | 01:32 PM
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There must be a defined age, which in this case a 2013 model is really 6 years old. I'd say that 50% price discount from original purchase price is about right for a 2013 model year GS 350.
Say $53k to $58k for MSRP less a 10% to 20% discount equals ~$42k - $52k new car sales price so $47,000 +/- 5% should be about the average price paid across the entire model spectrum.
2018 Pre-owned sales price at 1 year old = ~$41k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -12% off the new purchase price = $6,000 depreciation
2017 Pre-owned sales price at 2 years old = ~$37k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -21% off the new purchase price = $10,000 depreciation
2016 Pre-owned sales price at 3 years old = ~$33k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -30% off the new purchase price = $13,500 depreciation
2015 Pre-owned sales price at 4 years old = ~$30k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -36% off the new purchase price = $16,500 depreciation
2014 Pre-owned sales price at 5 years old = ~$27k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -43% off the new purchase price = $20,000 depreciation
2013 Pre-owned sales price at 6 years old = ~$23k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -51% off the new purchase price = $24,000 depreciation
Say $53k to $58k for MSRP less a 10% to 20% discount equals ~$42k - $52k new car sales price so $47,000 +/- 5% should be about the average price paid across the entire model spectrum.
2018 Pre-owned sales price at 1 year old = ~$41k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -12% off the new purchase price = $6,000 depreciation
2017 Pre-owned sales price at 2 years old = ~$37k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -21% off the new purchase price = $10,000 depreciation
2016 Pre-owned sales price at 3 years old = ~$33k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -30% off the new purchase price = $13,500 depreciation
2015 Pre-owned sales price at 4 years old = ~$30k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -36% off the new purchase price = $16,500 depreciation
2014 Pre-owned sales price at 5 years old = ~$27k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -43% off the new purchase price = $20,000 depreciation
2013 Pre-owned sales price at 6 years old = ~$23k +/- 5% based on options, condition and mileage or -51% off the new purchase price = $24,000 depreciation
05-13-18 | 01:58 PM
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That doesn't surprise me in the least. Condition, mileage, options, color, etc., etc., plus the demand for that model in a specific area of the country, all play a part in what the car sells for.
I'm guessing you probably paid $18k or less...
I'm guessing you probably paid $18k or less...
05-13-18 | 03:09 PM
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Condition is perhaps the most important (at least to me). I cannot tolerate the worn out leather in the driver's seat where I will be sitting every time I drive the car. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Even that new car smell has a price one has to pay for!
05-13-18 | 07:12 PM
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Condition is perhaps the most important (at least to me). I cannot tolerate the worn out leather in the driver's seat where I will be sitting every time I drive the car. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Even that new car smell has a price one has to pay for!
You can take two cars with exactly the same options and mileage, but treated very differently due to; (1) how the previous owner took care of the car and (2) how the roads and weather conditions of where the car was driven or parked treated the car. Some people would value those two such cars (one being pristine vs. the other being graded a D) at nearly the same price. Whereas other people would not even consider buying the D graded car even at a huge discount, but would be willing to pay a healthy premium for the pristine car. Then, of course, you have some people that will go for the D graded car at a discount price and live with the D grade conditions...and consider the lower price they paid to be the redeeming feature or the saving grace. Different strokes for different folks!
05-13-18 | 07:19 PM
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Hey guys, this is my first post in this forum. As the title says, Im looking at potentially purchasing a 2015 Lexus GS 350 F Sport. I have plenty of savings and a good job, so money isn't a huge issue, but I am just out of college, so I'm not looking to put myself in a bad situation.
Right now, I'm between a used 2015 Lexus GS 350 F sport with 41k miles (listed at 29k right now), a 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T, and maybe a used accord.
I've done a lot of research and test driven both cars, so I'm familiar with most differences in the cars (Lexus is more luxurious and nicer overall, but the new accord is also really nice with updated tech and a quick 2.0T).
A brand new accord will cost me probably 5k more up front than the Lexus, but I'm somewhat worried about maintenance/repairs on the Lexus. I know it should be very reliable, but from what I've read, repairs can be very expensive if something does go wrong. I've read that people don't get too many miles on their tires (265 rear 235 front) and I've seen some things mentioned about f sport breaks going our quicker.
I know this is a Lexus forum so I'm sure the Lexus will be most recommend, but are there any big maintenance/upkeep/repair issues I should be aware of with this Lexus? I just dont want to get myself into a situation where I have to spend tons of money on upkeep. I know with the accord (especially since it will have the warranty from the factory) won't have much maintenance cost especially the first few years.
Right now, I'm between a used 2015 Lexus GS 350 F sport with 41k miles (listed at 29k right now), a 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T, and maybe a used accord.
I've done a lot of research and test driven both cars, so I'm familiar with most differences in the cars (Lexus is more luxurious and nicer overall, but the new accord is also really nice with updated tech and a quick 2.0T).
A brand new accord will cost me probably 5k more up front than the Lexus, but I'm somewhat worried about maintenance/repairs on the Lexus. I know it should be very reliable, but from what I've read, repairs can be very expensive if something does go wrong. I've read that people don't get too many miles on their tires (265 rear 235 front) and I've seen some things mentioned about f sport breaks going our quicker.
I know this is a Lexus forum so I'm sure the Lexus will be most recommend, but are there any big maintenance/upkeep/repair issues I should be aware of with this Lexus? I just dont want to get myself into a situation where I have to spend tons of money on upkeep. I know with the accord (especially since it will have the warranty from the factory) won't have much maintenance cost especially the first few years.
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