2016+ GS or 2019 ES
06-07-18 | 04:37 PM
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At 13:32 he said the Camry and Avalon and the new ES is "the same damn car"... I'm sure Lexus will sell a lot of the new ES whether they changed it, or not. It's just a good seller for Lexus. However, I'm not interested
06-07-18 | 08:41 PM
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OP: Also, the ES will sell tons seeing the changes they've made to make it appeal to a wider range of folks...I don't like having a car that I see everywhere (tons of ES's in my area - very popular lux sedan in my neck of the woods).
The GS is more of a rare bird and that's something that personally I prefer.
The GS is more of a rare bird and that's something that personally I prefer.
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06-07-18 | 11:05 PM
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Lol, of course problem is now this car sorta looks like a GS on the outside. 
Wow the reviewer in that video is all over the place... I had to turn the volume down because my brain was getting polluted with falsehoods, but at least he showed the car.
So basically, one could easily infer they're killing the GS or the GS is going to get a re-roll with a diff body style etc. or the GS is only going to be sold as an F car, if at all...
-Mike
Wow the reviewer in that video is all over the place... I had to turn the volume down because my brain was getting polluted with falsehoods, but at least he showed the car.
So basically, one could easily infer they're killing the GS or the GS is going to get a re-roll with a diff body style etc. or the GS is only going to be sold as an F car, if at all...
-Mike
06-07-18 | 11:18 PM
#35
2019 ES F-Sport
302 horsepower and 267 pound-feet of torque
0-60 mph in 6.6 seconds
Much slower than the Lexus GS, looks fast but doesn't have the power, just a sportier Toyota Avalon.
302 horsepower and 267 pound-feet of torque
0-60 mph in 6.6 seconds
Much slower than the Lexus GS, looks fast but doesn't have the power, just a sportier Toyota Avalon.
06-08-18 | 05:05 AM
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06-08-18 | 07:55 AM
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Interesting that it got slower with more HP. C&D recorded 5.8 sec's with the 268HP 2015 ES: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...50-test-review
A new eight-speed automatic replaces the previous six-speed, and the net gain is more hustle when the light turns green—6.6 seconds to 60 mph, according to Lexus, or a half-second quicker than the company’s claim for the 2018 model. Judging by a day of driving rural byways south of Nashville, we have no reason to doubt this forecast. It’s likely to be proved conservative, considering that the previous model did it in 5.8 seconds in our testing, even though the responses of the paddle-shifted transmission are leisurely.
06-08-18 | 06:56 PM
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I doubt it will actually be slower. On the current version, Lexus claims 7.2 seconds whereas C&D got 5.8. Lexus is estimating the new ES will be about half a second faster to 60 than the previous version. C&D addressed that in their impressions of the 2019 ES.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review
06-09-18 | 04:27 AM
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Note that this change on the GS did not come with a power bump. The ES gets the new transmission plus more horsepower and torque.
06-09-18 | 05:33 AM
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Thinking about purchasing a 2016+ GS but seeing that the new 2019 ES is now available with F-Sport, would it be wiser to wait for that instead? I know RWD vs FWD and the styling is the main difference. What made you choose the GS over other choices?
I came across a 2016 low miles 450H here for $48k but both the 3rd party car dealer and carfax is extremely questionable. Maybe there will be a fire sale for the 2018s if it really does get discontinued?
I came across a 2016 low miles 450H here for $48k but both the 3rd party car dealer and carfax is extremely questionable. Maybe there will be a fire sale for the 2018s if it really does get discontinued?
With the selection of used/certified cars out there, that seems like a lot of money for a questionable car. I'd keep looking.
My list looked like this:
- RWD/AWD
- Quicker than needed (subjective)
- Handles well
- Reliability in top tier
- Comfortable seats
- Large trunk
- Has AC, cruise, heated seats, good radio
- Priced reasonably.
06-09-18 | 06:35 AM
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"A new eight-speed automatic replaces the previous six-speed, and the net gain is more hustle when the light turns green—6.6 seconds to 60 mph, according to Lexus, or a half-second quicker than the company’s claim for the 2018 model. Judging by a day of driving rural byways south of Nashville, we have no reason to doubt this forecast. It’s likely to be proved conservative, considering that the previous model did it in 5.8 seconds in our testing, even though the responses of the paddle-shifted transmission are leisurely."
06-09-18 | 08:32 AM
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06-10-18 | 05:27 PM
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