Tarmac88

Hey guys, i feel that i am doing something wrong. There are a few problems that exist with acquiring a 2015 or 2016 fsport in toronto right now. The first is that there is a very small amount of them on the market vs. the luxury package which i am not interested in buying. I typically will call and and then visit the dealership (lexus) or 3rd party, but guess what no one wants to even discuss lowering the price. Lexus ken shaw only wanted to drop about $600 on a 50k car! What is going on? Has anyone from Toronto had this experience or from the states? This car must be in demand and resellers must know therefore they overprice the fsport over the luxury model heavily..

er34

There's just not many GS in the GTA to begin with. I see maybe 1-2 every week.

Factor in our weak currency, wholesalers pick them up and sell in the states. It's definitely the case for GS-F's.

peasodos

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GTA? Grand Theft Auto V?

kode3

Greater Toronto Area

Gold10460

Just curious, why are you against the luxury package ? The Fsport has no advantage over it.

peasodos

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+1 Why not get the Luxury package then change the bumper to f-sport, suspension if you want it stiffer, rims if that matters to you.

All I can say the seats in the Luxury package are totally worth it and much better than f-sport or standard seats. Unless you really want a red interior.

Tarmac88

Well know that you guys have asked the question. I am under the impression that the f sport is stiffer ride vs a luxury spec gs 350? I also really dislike the wooden wheel and any wood in the interior. But if i am wrong and the luxury package rides the same as the fsport package, this becomes interesting...

np20412

F sport is slightly stiffer, especially noticeable in sport+ mode.

Cwang

Have you considered a GS250 or a GS200T Fsport just to open up your options a little?

er34

They don't sell those in Canada. And we only get AWD cars except for MY2013.

Tarmac88

I figured fsport would be better choice for me as i really enjoy the drive. I am also having a very tough time selecting between the 2015 model, its cheaper, better handling, fuel economy is probably the same as the 2016. Or the 2016, newer face lift but also 7-10k dollar difference depending on where you buy.

Tarmac88

I wonder how many people purchase a 2013-2015 in 2018 and 2019..and did not regret upgrading?

er34

I have a 2013 F-sport, so call me biased and while the post-refresh look has grown on me, I still prefer the pre-refresh F-sport look over it.

My order of pref: 2013 F-sport, 2016 F-sport, 2016 non-F, 2013 non-F.

Things I kind of wish I had from the newer models - power trunk(2015?), folding mirrors(2014+), updated gauge cluster(2016+ F-sport) - but these are not deal breakers for me, and I'll happily take the savings on a lower mileage car over a newer one with just those added luxuries. It certainly helps this is a solid platform, so generally reliability is not a "growing" concern with the older samples.

Tarmac88

Since you are from canada and you are paying canadian gas prices.. Are you finding your 2013 to be a massive gas hog? Also how many miles does your car have?

JDR76

After having both the pre and post refreshed models, I will say that I like my 2019 more, but a large part of that is some of the features that my 15 didn't have (triple LED headlights, HUD, power trunk, radar cruise, etc.). I also find it to be quieter and more refined.

With that said, I wouldn't hesitate to buy or recommend a pre-refresh model. I loved my 15 and had the lease end worked out in a way that allowed me to keep it, I would have, and I would have been fine with it.