NickMayer

Or is it the ES and Camry that share an engine? Sublte differences between the 2?

I ask because I'm watching Doug Demuro (love him) review a new lotus, and color me surprised when he starts talking about the Supercharged Toyota engine it is using here:
That's when I (again) start thinking, the GS would be AMAZING with a supercharged engine.

uibalnme

ES/Camry has the 2GR-FE. The IS/GS has the 2GR-FSE

Do a google search for 2GR-FE vs 2GR-FSE.

If you want a supercharged FSE, RR Racing has a S/C system for the IS/GS. In stage 3 trim it will push a bone stock FSE north of 500hp.

I think there are 2? Members on here that have the RR Racing S/C.

I’m still scraping together enough change to get at least the stage 2.

NickMayer

I thought is was something like that, but still. If Lotus can take a Toyota engine and supercharge it to 400hp, why the hell can't we get that in a Lexus. That is my only point.

JDR76

Yes, the following vehicles use the 2GR-FKS:

ES350
GS350
RX350
RX450h
Tacoma
Highlander
Highlander Hybrid
Sienna
Avalon
Camry

JDR76

No current Lexus or Toyota products use the 2GR-FE or 2GR-FSE anymore.

uibalnme

LC500
471hp 5.0L naturally aspirated V8

LS500
416hp 3.5L twin turbo V6

LFA
553hp 4.8L naturally aspirated V10

3 Lexus cars, 3 Toyota engines with 400+ hp. Take your pick.

NickMayer

Oh cool, I didn't know those cars existed (/s). You have an extra 100 Grand I can borrow?

As I posted, I am specifically talking about the engine all those models listed above use, the 2GR-FKS (thanks JDR76), which is in a Lotus supercharged. And wishing the GS (hell, even the ES) would also be supercharged, and you know, *NOT* be 90 to 120 grand... Sorry, I thought that was obvious

NickMayer

Thanks, I thought it was something like that. The Lotus is expensive, but I see that video and am like seriously, you could change nothing in the GS in 2020, but give me it supercharged and I'm on board.

jonathancl

I had no idea this power plant was so dense.
I could totally see myself in an LS some years down the road: 400hp turbo awd comfy sedan? That sounds a good machine for my mid forties...

baconRx

I would gladly give up the 9hp and 13lb-ft of torque the GS is tuned to run to have the have the ES fuel economy and run on regular. I know the ES only says its on average 3mpg better but I experienced 8mpg better in my week driving on unless their calc is way off. compression ratio is the same so not sure why GS is still recommended to have premium

NickMayer

A client of mine (i fix his computer, lol) has a new LS and offered to let me drive it. I couldn't then, but next time I will. Very curious to see how it drives with a turbo 6 /w 400hp. Still rather have my GS with that, but you know...
I'd love to know more about that decision/process. Because I ran regular in my GS for a bit and the difference in gas efficiency was very noticeable. Yes not advisable to do that, but I had to know. But if I can get at least *some*& thrills in a F sport ES, with AWD, and on Sport+ mode, I might feel better about not having a 2020 GS (if that is the case)

Stewart350

The GsF has 467 horsepower from a naturally aspirated V8. I'm waiting to see if they refresh is before I try and pick on up. Used I've seen some 2016's in the mid to high 40s.

PlPete

Even though the same engines may be used in various models, the tuning on the engine and transmission is what makes the real difference. You Camry will have much more conservative tuning allow it to run on cheaper gas, where as GS which is marketed at a different type of driver has a more aggressive tune, power curve and transmission mapping.

GregCanada

The RWD platform is what kills the MPG on the GS.

JDR76

FYI in the Camry, the compression ratio is 10.8:1. In the GS, it’s 11.8:1.