MY 2021 and 2027 Redesigned GS Expected
12-05-19, 11:25 AM
#46
Racer
12-05-19, 11:49 AM
#47
Lexus Champion
I'm within 50 miles of hitting 100k on my '07 GS350, and have ordered oil, air, and cabin filters. When (if) the GS loses its cowcatcher grill and gets Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, I'll look at it. For now. it's either go for the next 100k on the "07, or consider a Genesis G80.
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12-05-19, 04:08 PM
#48
Lexus Test Driver
I would take my GS looks over that G80 anytime, any day. Nothing against Hyundai and Genesis fans here. Same goes with any Camry and ES even. I put my GS and ES side by side last night and there is no way I'm picking the ES over a GS.
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12-05-19, 09:47 PM
#49
Lexus Fanatic
Another GS model makes no sense for Toyota/Lexus. It's baked in and done.
Sluggish market reaction and tesla acceptance doomed GS sales to languishing status. What was supposed to be a 7 year generation has been extended a few more with no changes, perhaps to burn off any remaining excess supply? If you think about the entire GS production run over 9 years, it adds up to between 125k-150k cars total sales, and translates into a measly 320 cars made per week.
No manufacturer is going to commit factory space and production line time for such low volume. Tesla is ramping up production consistently past 5k per week. To put this in perspective, Tesla could do in 2-3 weeks production to meet the yearly sales of a GS. That's a major no can do when you meet the yearly demand with only 4% of your yearly manufacturing capacity.
It's baked in and DONE. Stick a fork in it.
Sluggish market reaction and tesla acceptance doomed GS sales to languishing status. What was supposed to be a 7 year generation has been extended a few more with no changes, perhaps to burn off any remaining excess supply? If you think about the entire GS production run over 9 years, it adds up to between 125k-150k cars total sales, and translates into a measly 320 cars made per week.
No manufacturer is going to commit factory space and production line time for such low volume. Tesla is ramping up production consistently past 5k per week. To put this in perspective, Tesla could do in 2-3 weeks production to meet the yearly sales of a GS. That's a major no can do when you meet the yearly demand with only 4% of your yearly manufacturing capacity.
It's baked in and DONE. Stick a fork in it.
The 4th Gen GS sold pretty well the first 3 years, the 2016 and on was clearly not a update the market liked, they made the car ugly, gave it no real power/performance upgrade(it actually got slower), raised the price, took away good lease deals/incentives and the market spoke.
If you want a Tesla or electric, just buy a Tesla instead of asking over and over for Lexus to build you a Tesla and rattling off Tesla sales numbers. Those buyers are not going to buy a electric GS or any electric Lexus, Lexus does not have a "green" image like Tesla and the image is the main reason they are buying them. Replacing the GS with a electric sedan would be a massive failure and waste of money, nobody bought the hybrid GS, it was a total waste, same with offering a 4 cyl. What happened with the CT which was basically a luxury Prius, it was a big failure, same with the HS because Lexus does not have a green image, the Prius name does.
I don't even think they need a new generation right away to boost sales, just tone down the ugly styling on the current one to go back more to the 2013-2015 look, update the interior a little, give it a nice wheel option, and most importantly give it a affordable 400hp power option, either the 3.5l tt from the LS or a 8 cylinder, it really should have a decent power option without having to step up to a GS-F.
12-05-19, 09:51 PM
#50
Lexus Fanatic
It looks like BMW and Mercedes. Many of their buyers wouldn't look twice at a GS because they don't interest young people. I'm 30 but I'm yet to see a single GS being driven by someone under 50, even when I venture into the posh suburbs. Here Lexus are massively overpriced which may not help.
Premium Germans are popular all over with all ages.
Premium Germans are popular all over with all ages.
12-06-19, 12:17 AM
#51
Another GS model makes no sense for Toyota/Lexus. It's baked in and done.
Sluggish market reaction and tesla acceptance doomed GS sales to languishing status. What was supposed to be a 7 year generation has been extended a few more with no changes, perhaps to burn off any remaining excess supply? If you think about the entire GS production run over 9 years, it adds up to between 125k-150k cars total sales, and translates into a measly 320 cars made per week.
No manufacturer is going to commit factory space and production line time for such low volume. Tesla is ramping up production consistently past 5k per week. To put this in perspective, Tesla could do in 2-3 weeks production to meet the yearly sales of a GS. That's a major no can do when you meet the yearly demand with only 4% of your yearly manufacturing capacity.
It's baked in and DONE. Stick a fork in it.
Sluggish market reaction and tesla acceptance doomed GS sales to languishing status. What was supposed to be a 7 year generation has been extended a few more with no changes, perhaps to burn off any remaining excess supply? If you think about the entire GS production run over 9 years, it adds up to between 125k-150k cars total sales, and translates into a measly 320 cars made per week.
No manufacturer is going to commit factory space and production line time for such low volume. Tesla is ramping up production consistently past 5k per week. To put this in perspective, Tesla could do in 2-3 weeks production to meet the yearly sales of a GS. That's a major no can do when you meet the yearly demand with only 4% of your yearly manufacturing capacity.
It's baked in and DONE. Stick a fork in it.
That said, there clearly is still a market for luxury performance cars, Lexus just needs to, IMO, consolidate its offerings, and produce something new, and something that's competitive. Something that is AWD and has a sub 5 sec 0-60 would be a good place to start. The smart thing for them to do would be to dump the current GS/IS models and move that into one, more powerful, newer 4 door vehicle.
-Mike
12-06-19, 12:28 AM
#52
Meh, I don't really care for extra hp. Sure is nice, and the GS450h has an added boost. A first generation twin turbo is not really a smart move. BMW had a learning curve.
If I can go all day and get 35-45+mpg or an astounding improvement in energy use reducing user costs for city use with a fantastic sporty feel 80% of what a Tesla can do -- maybe it can move the needle. Much of our car driving does not require a 440 firebreathing turbo monster.
If I can go all day and get 35-45+mpg or an astounding improvement in energy use reducing user costs for city use with a fantastic sporty feel 80% of what a Tesla can do -- maybe it can move the needle. Much of our car driving does not require a 440 firebreathing turbo monster.
And as far as the eco **** MPG stuff, GS buyers don't give a crap about that, either. Although a side effect of getting a good turbo(s) in the mix would be increased efficiency during highway
use, for sure.
-Mike
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12-06-19, 03:05 AM
#53
I think this will be the next GS:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabue.../#6054f84b63c7
It already looks like a GS interior to be honest..... everything is very similar in location to a 4GS... AND it's sporty and RWD!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabue.../#6054f84b63c7
It already looks like a GS interior to be honest..... everything is very similar in location to a 4GS... AND it's sporty and RWD!
12-06-19, 07:46 AM
#54
Lexus Test Driver
Whatever they do with the new GS, please no sticking out tablet on the dash. This trend really needs to be put to rest.
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12-06-19, 08:57 AM
#55
Pit Crew
All I will say on the record is that the new Tundra is going to be a huge upgrade
12-07-19, 07:40 AM
#58
Anyone who does not think Tesla has taken major market share from luxury cars, especially luxury performance sedans is mistaken.
And when the Model Y is released the SUV market will be affected.
That's the numbers.
And when the Model Y is released the SUV market will be affected.
That's the numbers.
12-07-19, 12:07 PM
#59
Pole Position
There is no way the GS stays around. Last year through November Lexus sold 6,017 GS's and same 11 months this year they have sold 3,113. That is is decrease of 48%. There are not going to keep a production line open for 3,500 vehicles a year. The ES now with F sport and soon awd is the nail in the coffin.
12-07-19, 04:57 PM
#60
I am nowhere near 50 and have had 2 generations of GS, I got my first one when I was in my 20's. There are a lot of people here under 50 who have GS's. What is wrong with buyers over 50 liking and buying a car, they are the ones with the money to buy those luxury cars brand new. I don't see many people under 50 in new 5 series or E class either, they are pretty expensive for younger buyers.