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like others said, this was inevitable. Oh well it doesn't change the fact that the GS is still a great vehicle that will last a long time. I don't care about carplay anyway.
Currently driving a (purchased new) '07 GS350. Looked at the new GS a few months back with the intention to buy. However, was completely turned off by the 'cowcatcher' grill, dated tech, and price. A friend's Kia Soul is far more advanced at less than half the price.
To Carmaker1, congratulations on your PhD pursuits. As a design engineer, maybe you could obtain employment at Toyota and convince them to produce a stylish GS successor. Ian Callum comes to mind ala Aston-Martin. The opposite would be Chris Bangle (BMW).
If you forced me to take an educated guess?
I suspect the next gen 2021 Genesis G80 won't sell that well relative to its peers: the ES, E Class and 5 Series.
The old Hyundai Genesis/Genesis G80 peaked at a very modest 36k units in 2012 [not very good considering its cheap price], and has been downhill since, especially by 2017 with only 17k units, and 2018 and 2019 with 7k+ each year.
The current Genesis/G80 is quite stylish, and I almost bought this model myself!
Meanwhile, the ES 5ES peaked at 82k in 2007, 6ES peaked at 72k in 2013 & 14, and now 7ES has so far peaked at 51k last year USA.
Meanwhile the more expensive E Class peaked at 50k/year in 2005 & 06, a whopping 69k in 2012 & 13, and the current model has peaked at 49k in its first full year 2017 USA - magnificent sales figures considering the price of E Class.
The 2003-10 5 Series peaked at 56k in 2006, while 2010-17 peaked at 60k in 2012, while the current 2017-23 has so far peaked at 43k in 2018.
Why won't next G80 sell well?
Just my opinion only, but the styling isn't right.
IMHO, it looks like an "oversized" Audi A7 Sportsback liftback with a drooping tail.
Styling is a large part of success.
Of course, the motor vehicle must still be funtional like space, ergonomics, performance, economy, maneuvrebility, handling, ride, NVH, equipment, price, durability and environental friendliness.
i agree, it looks a bit hunch-heavy
Like when you look at photos of other cars, and then suddenly look at the photo above, you get that "ewwww" reaction until you stare and get used it for a while.
Sure, it's unique..... the lights, grille, side markers, but this front quarter angle doesn't look quite right.
Holy r/whoosh...I already stated it's not happening for a long time (if ever), per the same set of people who said GS production was ending to me 2 years ago. I have been proven correct.
Cars are not developed at the eleventh hour, as designs are developed years in advance. We would know something by now if it was coming.
These photos of mine from earlier in 2009 of a GS clay model before Spindle Grille was incorporated, tell the story. We already heard news about 4GS in 2008-09 and it paralleled internal movements. Reveal was August 2011, Job 1 in December 2011 and release in February 2012.
The next GS was supposed to go on sale around June 2019 as a 2020 model and design freeze was set for October 2016. That's final look being finalized 32 months before hitting showrooms. Positive news was consistent until December 2016.
Akio Toyoda vetoed it at that point and shifted anything developed onto 2021 Mirai. We are 32 months from end of 2022 and nothing has been heard internally outside of cancellation.
i'm glad the photo above didn't get approved.
that looks gross.
and a huge stylistic downgrade from the 3GS
Thank you for addressing that, because I made my point already and hate going in circles about the obvious.
In working in automotive development for years as a "design" engineer and hopefully soon-to-be junior level executive (lord willing per my MBA and now defended PhD), I've met various Toyota organization people and while many are out of the loop (or pretend to be), they've highlighted 2 model years out is what is accessible in most cases in terms of disclosure..
It varies greatly on 3 model years out. As it stands we are still in the 2020 model year despite a few early 2021 models being out. I have learned about a few MY 2023 or 2024 models before they became known by online public (thanks to slipping it around). The GS or anything replacing it, isn't among that. All I see are obtuse mixups of one central report.
Bclexus is entitled to their outlook, but I'm giving them a heads-up to brace for disappointment, as this cowboy right here knows no GS redesign is ready to go anytime soon and I have a strong lock on product cadences in general.
It is actually BS for anyone to imply that I wouldn't know, so I asked them to point out any Lexus model that went into production without a hint of it existing beforehand. I got no direct answer of course, other than hopes and wishes. That just doesn't work anymore on any level.
People may not hear about something before a reveal, but actual series production? Yeah ******ing right.
The next GS was sacrificed 42 months ago as a compromise to the accountants & board in Japan, as Akio Toyoda's cryptic messages and that of his executive actions strongly tell the whole story.
Since the LFA, he only wants 2-door image cars like RC & LC or easy to engineer bread & butter. Otherwise, he is not prepared to fight the forces within Toyota Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha, to vouch/advocate for things of little personal interest to him.
LS has always been an afterthought to him, let alone GS. He came to the USA years ago and hopped into a Venza exiting his jet, ditching his on standby chauffered LS 600hL. Look at the LS today, a stylish high quality cost-saving compromise designed not to compete with the S-Class directly.
Ironically in February of 2014, at least 20 different brand new W222 S-Classes were spied at Aichi R&D for benchmarking by a BMW employee involved with A90 Supra development. I wonder what came of that, since LS 500 (XF50) design freeze was that summer?
LS couldn't die, because of 1989, as he's not Carlos Ghosn in that respect (ie Q45). Although he didn't even care to present it at its Detroit reveal, a long 11 years after the last redesign.
If they could kill IS, they might try it. Then make ES into some RLX style flagship and water down LS into a wannabe Panamera.
I wonder if the new Lexus president Koji Sato will have the autonomy to truly make Lexus compete at the higher end with MB and BMW. If the bean counters drive decisions again, Lexus will have no chance. Sad Akio has allowed this to happen given his focus on fun cars with emotion. You would think this mantra is a perfect fit for the type of cars Lexus should produce...ES as a replacement for the GS and its true RWD platform is a joke if they even want to compete against the Germans.
Easy cowboy! I meant to say it won't surprise me to see a replacement for the GS come out in 2022. They could have been working on the replacement for years, and no one would know...even you.
Before I respond to anyone else again in this thread, let me make something very clear.
As a professional who makes sure that in this case, my information is coming from people who work with or for Toyota corporate, your head is clearly in the clouds. Nor does it seem to comprehend how product development goes on behind closed doors, against the public's eyes (to even mention 2022).
You might not know much of anything as a casual observer, but the people involved don't see anything like that for MY 2021, 2022, and MY 2023 on the docket. These people are shown/briefed on upcoming cars TWO MODEL YEARS OUT. There is at BEST, a hiatus in this segment until 2023/24 at earliest.
Tell me about any Lexus model that wasn't known about until its reveal? Just because some of you are not paying close attention to future developments, doesn't mean you can brandish anyone else with oblivion.
I very much look forward to being proven right again, as I can already tell, some of you continue to have farfetched expectations which you have been coaxed against, as those who know more than you do, have said a midsize Lexus in the vein of GS is not happening in the near future. Development takes 5 years, so 2022 is out of the question.
At this point I'm not going to repeat myself again and will let any delusions fester, as it's a sad day, but most of us see it for what it is and are keeping it real.
Before I respond to anyone else again in this thread, let me make something very clear.
As a professional who makes sure that in this case, my information is coming from people who work with or for Toyota corporate, your head is clearly in the clouds. Nor does it seem to comprehend how product development goes on behind closed doors, against the public's eyes (to even mention 2022).
You might not know much of anything as a casual observer, but the people involved don't see anything like that for MY 2021, 2022, and MY 2023 on the docket. These people are shown/briefed on upcoming cars TWO MODEL YEARS OUT. There is at BEST, a hiatus in this segment until 2023/24 at earliest.
Tell me about any Lexus model that wasn't known about until it's reveal? Just because some of you are not paying close attention to future developments, doesn't mean you can brandish anyone else with oblivion.
I very much look forward to being proven right again, as I can already tell, some of you continue to have farfetched expectations which you have been coaxed against, as those who know more than you do, have said a midsize Lexus in the vein of GS is not happening in the near future. Development takes 5 years, so 2022 is out of the question.
At this point I'm not going to repeat myself again and will let any delusions fester, as it's a sad day, but most of us see it for what it is and are keeping it real.
like others said, this was inevitable. Oh well it doesn't change the fact that the GS is still a great vehicle that will last a long time. I don't care about carplay anyway.
I haven't used the Car Play in the ES and I've had it for 3 months now. I always ended up using the factory nav cause Car Play requires a cable and it's a hassle.
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