LexusGSboy

So I actually went and looked up the plural of this when I posted something a while back . From what I read Lexus is both singular and plural - like the word data.

Just saw two more today (and not the two I saw yesterday).....WHAT IS GOING ON! I've always tried to keep an eye out for the GS, even before I had mine and I swear I've never seen this many this short of a time frame... I know a lot of the certified ones we're getting up here are from out of state (from when I was shopping for mine) and I know the few that have come off lease locally are generally staying in the area so maybe it's likely the numbers here are increasing????????

Cwang

Whilst you're making changes, you could start with the correct year! GS - 4th Gen (2012-2020)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_...ion_(L10;_2011)

LexusGSboy

LOL but aren't the forum names by official model year? not production years? I always thought it was officially a 2013.....although model years are almost meaningless now a days.... I mean one could argue also that since it came out (US) February 2012 as a 2013 model wouldn't that mean anything produced after February 2020 would be a 2021 model year? Also according to Wikipedia the 2016s would be 2015s since that's when the facelift happened?????

eddie420

Thanks for the useful bits of dati!

PauloFR

This is what I would have liked. I always thought Lexus has no business having a FWD competitor to their longitudinal-engined midsize luxury sedan. But, well, it sells. The demise of the GS kills me really.

I hope a lot the 4th gen GS won't go crazily in value until I buy one. Then I plan on buying a low-mileage fully-equipped one and keeping it for an extremely long period of time.

Cwang

My 2012 GS350 is an official model year MY12, it's vastly different to any of your MY13s. Just because it didn't happen in the USA doesn't mean it didn't happen at all. But seriously, I don't understand how a car can start production in 2011 and be sold as a 2013, even the Germans wouldn't pull that stunt!

If it has the 2021 feature set, but produced in 2020 (usually late) it should be an MY21. That said, it likely has no changes (ordinary GS350s) for cars since the MY 19 so it's likely not relevant. A shame they didn't pull a Holden and give us the biggest V8 they have for no extra charge, as a swansong.

signdetres

The Germans definitely perform that same stunt... the auto industry as a whole really.

Example:

The W221 Mercedes S-Class debuted in the United States as a 2007 model year car in calendar year 2006 but debuted in Europe, Australia, & Asia as a 2006 model year car and I believe it entered production in late 2005.

Seems like common practice for automotive brands that aren't based in the US.

Cwang

That's terrible! Wish they would just call a spade a spade.

marjenmill

Yes, it is by Model Year here in the U.S. European countries don't have a model year, they use calendar year/model production. For the U.S., 2013-2020 Model Year is correct, while (or "whilst" as someone with a UK accent put it) it would fall into a 2012-2020 calendar year model.

Hues10

Has anyone ever compared the handling of the Tesla Model S against the GS? Like does anyone own both? I know the acceleration goes to model S, but what about a slalom course? Just thinking out loud here.

bob256k

I'd give it to the GS. Tesla's are a bit overrated; no one has really seen real world performance on a track with them other than 0-60, which really is only the first 2-3 runs and then it turns into a 14 second car. The GS may be old but it does deliver

signdetres

I recently drove the Model S Performance. Only had it for an hour, but I'd also give the overall edge to the GS, especially in the steering department. That edge only increases if the GS also has rear-wheel steering on it.

I don't know if the Model S has variable gear ratio steering, I don't believe it does, but comparing it to my '18 GS with VGRS, steering response & feel is so much better in the GS. During aggressive maneuvers, I'd give steering response and overall vehicle stability to the GS. The GS with rear-wheel steering is another step-up in that department.

I don't think the Model S air suspension is active in the same way AVS is where it's actively trying to counteract body motions, or at least it didn't feel like it did. For example, hard braking results in a lot of nose dive in the Tesla whereas AVS in the GS does a great job of stiffening up in those moments to counteract the nose dive and keep the body level.

The GS also has far better maneuverability in tight situations. It has a better turning circle and generally just more steering angle, making it super maneuverable and agile in parking lot scenarios, rear-wheel steering or not.

bob256k

Yeah I figured that was the case. I meant the real electric car to compare it against would be a Taycan, even though they are not in the same league at all.

AJLex19

This also points to the fact that its not really an apples to apples comparison - although folks might cross shop a Model S against a GS. Tesla's motive has never been to be a driver's car - hell, they have all the tech ready for driver-less cars / driver-less future!

And because people trust computers and sensors more than themselves, the likely hood is that this self-driving tech will be heavily adopted by the masses leaving driving enthusiasts with fewer and fewer options to get their real driving fix.

The 4GS was always a rare bird as a reliable, upscale Japanese AWD available mid-sized sedan with a the right balance to satisfy those wanting sportiness and luxury...looks like most people don't need real sportiness (red calipers, black-out trims and a spoiler will do the trick apparently). Its sad that the GS goes away for now but i'm hopeful for a future option from Lexus -- but they might just continue disappoint the enthusiast crowd because we're the minority.

A nice CPO LS500 F-Sport seems like the next logical step as the 4GS goes away (buts it still no Grand Sedan!!)

LexusGSboy

Now go ask in the Model S forms and see what folks say