Originally Posted by SBPhoto

The computers will still kick in sometimes with the button press only, Ive had a warning come up that says. "1st gear unavailable, slippery surface". The pedal dance is not common knowledge because they dont want you to actually turn off everything in terms of safety controls.

Originally Posted by jgscott

I have had my 13 GS350 for a long time. Before that had a GS460. I have known about the Pedal Dance a long, long time ago and have tried it well before this thread. I just though it was a Dumb thing to do in my case, when all I had to do was hold the Trac button down to get it to disable 100%.

I only tried again today to do a back to back same place comparo is all. Not a whole lot I don't know about my GS. Everything on my cars is Modded slightly different for my own taste and some mods I have tried 2-3 times to come up with the results I want. I trial lots of stuff.

Originally Posted by jgscott

So I was raining here today. So I went to a lot and tried both ways. With the button pressed, my car went to Traction control at no time ever, Did the pedal dance and at no point did Traction come either. End result was the same both ways. I kinda already knew this from experience with my GS on the button disable. I mean I ripped tires from gear to gear and bounced the 7000rpm rev limiter.

A few things here: So be aware that when you do the Pedal Dance, you get the same Disable message and lights as the Button. Both end up indicating Disable on the dash lights. IDK if your cars are different (2013 = 6speed, & no AWD system)? Giving the benefits of difference also, I have the D3 Tune. I talked to the Tuner one day about overcoming the TB opening limitations. He told me he had already overcome that in the Tune to aid in reducing TB opening restrictions. Maybe this is why? IDK??

Lets make sure we are on the same page. Pedal Dance has the white Trac OFF middle Dash light on and the Button left Yellow Car Trac light on when held. Pedal Dance ends up the same thing. Now when I did donuts with NO Button and/or No pedal dance, the Tracs light lit up, blinked, stayed on one time and just kept kicking in. Also one other thing I thought about is I am doing in Sport + mode only. I forgot dang it to try in NON Sport + mode. Anyway that what I did, how I did it back to back 2 different times, and that's what I got with my 13 GS350. Maybe me and my GS350 are just not as smart to override the defeat as others GS350's are. IDK??? When I hold the Button the indicator says all off and the Tires and lack of intervention, and lack of any warning lights say No. I likely just cooked 2/10's of Tread off the rear tires today.

PS: Just thought about one more thing, my Rear Tires and wheels are RC F wheels with 285/35/19 Tires. Maybe the tire diameters or size is throwing the Traction control computer measures off for wheel spin? Again... IDK? I give up.

Originally Posted by gs350noob

Hmm I wouldn't think that the modifications you've made would really affect how the traction control works but I'm no expert there. So just to be 100% clear you are basically saying you successfully got the light to come on with the pedal dance but it doesn't behave at all differently from the 10 second hold? Interesting that our experiences are so different, I found it alarmingly easy to move the back end around (even on dry pavement) after the dance, much more than I had ever experienced in the considerable time I've spent in sport + and doing the 10 second hold.

FYI I have a 2013 F Sport RWD and no rear wheel steering so very similar to your set up which I believe is Luxury pkg with RWD? My back tires are Pilot Sport All Season 4's and are not new but nowhere near worn out either. Maybe your car is just so ballsy it overcomes the last of the traction control while my paltry stock set up cannot. LOL.

I'm gonna mess around with it in a few days see if I have any new revelations.

Originally Posted by jgscott

Yes light on with pedal dance no different than 10 sec button hold. Rear stood still, then went sideways, bounce off Rev limiter, shifted gear and so on. Same way either time. I was told by someone that with Trac off it does allow the TB to open more fully through out the whole Rev range.

So just for the record I 100% believe you guys. Let me understand something being described here? So in your comparison are you saying with the 10 sec Trac button hold, when you spin out, is your Trac light indicator showing it's activating and decelerating your rear wheels? Blinking? Where as with pedal dance it won't ever do that?

Or you saying you can just feel the rear wheels continue to spin harder with pedal dance activated than with the button hold?

Originally Posted by jgscott

Yes light on with pedal dance no different than 10 sec button hold. Rear stood still, then went sideways, bounce off Rev limiter, shifted gear and so on. Same way either time. I was told by someone that with Trac off it does allow the TB to open more fully through out the whole Rev range.

So just for the record I 100% believe you guys. Let me understand something being described here? So in your comparison are you saying with the 10 sec Trac button hold, when you spin out, is your Trac light indicator showing it's activating and decelerating your rear wheels? Blinking? Where as with pedal dance it won't ever do that?

Or you saying you can just feel the rear wheels continue to spin harder with pedal dance activated than with the button hold?

Originally Posted by gs350noob

Haven't had much chance to drive it like an idiot last several days.

I've only seen the light flash on the dash a few times driving the car, I feel like it cuts power before that happens. Am I crazy or should it flash the light every time you break loose? Mine doesn't always seem to do that.

I've only had it force me to start in 2nd gear once, when I was pulling off a gravel shoulder and goosed the throttle a bit too much. It went back to normal immediately in that situation from what I could tell.

Originally Posted by MikeFig82

Driving around lately in this GS has made me realize how intrusive the system is. I was so used to the IS-F ECU. Though with the IS-F ecu you didn't really have to disable the system, and still have fun in the corners. Breaking traction it takes way longer before it's cutting power.

It's doubtful I'll get a GSF ECU anytime soon. For now I'll just continue to scour the internet for a photo.

Originally Posted by jgscott

So the GS F is a 8 speed. The 13 RWD is a 6 speed, what you have now correct? You think it will swap?

Instead with the IS350 6speed Trans ECU which is more aggressive than the GS350 ECU 6speed. Do you think the iS350 6 to GS350 6speed would be plug and play?

Originally Posted by ItzFilyO

Those that did burnouts on their GS, was it a one-wheel burnout or both wheels? Just curious and no, I won't even try doing it with mine, those 4S tires are too expensive.