Tired of the Steering wheel
#32
Back on track. I have driven a variety of other cars in the GS class, BMW, MB, and many other. They all have a smaller wheel than the GS that does not interfere with ppl's legs steering. I smaller wheel give you more control, and better responsive steering inputs, like someone else said. That's my point. Go drive the new LS.
The fact is, a smaller wheel has less leverage than a larger wheel, thereby REDUCING potential control of input. With a smaller wheel you have to make smaller movements which can be exaggerated that wouldn't be with a larger wheel. If your hands are at 10-2, you have less separation with a small wheel and less leverage. A large wheel gives finer control than a smaller wheel. Most full-sized race cars that have to turn have fairly large wheels. The Winston Cup car I drove had a large padded wheel so you could get a good grip on it
Unless the steering rack ratio is changed, the size of the wheel has no impact on turns lock to lock. The smaller wheel will require more torque for the same movement, making the power assist seem less.
#33
Saying it doesn't make it true, only an opinion.
The fact is, a smaller wheel has less leverage than a larger wheel, thereby REDUCING potential control of input. With a smaller wheel you have to make smaller movements which can be exaggerated that wouldn't be with a larger wheel. If your hands are at 10-2, you have less separation with a small wheel and less leverage. A large wheel gives finer control than a smaller wheel. Most full-sized race cars that have to turn have fairly large wheels. The Winston Cup car I drove had a large padded wheel so you could get a good grip on it
Unless the steering rack ratio is changed, the size of the wheel has no impact on turns lock to lock. The smaller wheel will require more torque for the same movement, making the power assist seem less.
The fact is, a smaller wheel has less leverage than a larger wheel, thereby REDUCING potential control of input. With a smaller wheel you have to make smaller movements which can be exaggerated that wouldn't be with a larger wheel. If your hands are at 10-2, you have less separation with a small wheel and less leverage. A large wheel gives finer control than a smaller wheel. Most full-sized race cars that have to turn have fairly large wheels. The Winston Cup car I drove had a large padded wheel so you could get a good grip on it
Unless the steering rack ratio is changed, the size of the wheel has no impact on turns lock to lock. The smaller wheel will require more torque for the same movement, making the power assist seem less.
Its not just opinion, its personal preference. No two MLB hitters really use the same exact Bat nowadays, even though a Bat is a Bat for the same purpose when they come to the plate. Golfers Clubs the same. Saving Razors, and the list goes on and on. I have no problem with anyone who likes the GS big wheel. I would prefer as I said, 1/2 - 3/4 smaller diameter. That decreased size requires slightly more effort but rewards with more feel. There is a reason Semi Trucks have such large wheels. Most have not driven other cars in the GS class to know that 99% of them also have a smaller diameter wheel that the GS has.
I would love to have this wheel in matching my interior Black with the Dark Linear Expresso Wood in my cars interior colors. No way I would pay close to $2k to have it made.
Last edited by jgscott; 06-15-22 at 05:46 PM.
#34
Saying it doesn't make it true, only an opinion.
The fact is, a smaller wheel has less leverage than a larger wheel, thereby REDUCING potential control of input. With a smaller wheel you have to make smaller movements which can be exaggerated that wouldn't be with a larger wheel. If your hands are at 10-2, you have less separation with a small wheel and less leverage. A large wheel gives finer control than a smaller wheel. Most full-sized race cars that have to turn have fairly large wheels. The Winston Cup car I drove had a large padded wheel so you could get a good grip on it
Unless the steering rack ratio is changed, the size of the wheel has no impact on turns lock to lock. The smaller wheel will require more torque for the same movement, making the power assist seem less.
The fact is, a smaller wheel has less leverage than a larger wheel, thereby REDUCING potential control of input. With a smaller wheel you have to make smaller movements which can be exaggerated that wouldn't be with a larger wheel. If your hands are at 10-2, you have less separation with a small wheel and less leverage. A large wheel gives finer control than a smaller wheel. Most full-sized race cars that have to turn have fairly large wheels. The Winston Cup car I drove had a large padded wheel so you could get a good grip on it
Unless the steering rack ratio is changed, the size of the wheel has no impact on turns lock to lock. The smaller wheel will require more torque for the same movement, making the power assist seem less.
Meanwhile, actual production based "full size" race cars that are designed for racing on road courses have much smaller steering yokes, which force you to hold them at 9-3, because that is the appropriate grip for car control. These drivers go beyond 90* of steering input every lap for hours. These are custom pieces that could have been designed for grip at 10-2 if that were better, but it is not.
Bentley Continental GT3
C7.R
911 RSR
Huracan EVO GT3
No bus steering wheels here.
Meanwhile, back at the Halls of Justice...
#35
Its all preference. No right or wrong.
Im 5’9 and 200 lbs. This car just feels right on so many levels.
vs. my wifes 2018 premium plus A4 allroad it is more plush, softer sides, quieter and while visually not as exciting as her LED dash clluster and interior LED light show, the Lexus feels very “right”. My 2013 535I with MT was similar drive and feel.
My main point is this car is very comfortable and the wheel situates just right were the Audi does not similarly. Perhaps if I did not have the Lexus I would not think about it.
Im 5’9 and 200 lbs. This car just feels right on so many levels.
vs. my wifes 2018 premium plus A4 allroad it is more plush, softer sides, quieter and while visually not as exciting as her LED dash clluster and interior LED light show, the Lexus feels very “right”. My 2013 535I with MT was similar drive and feel.
My main point is this car is very comfortable and the wheel situates just right were the Audi does not similarly. Perhaps if I did not have the Lexus I would not think about it.
#36
When driving I like my eyesight to have the top of my steering wheel aligned almost at the same height (or level) as the top of the rounded or curved dash directly above the instrument cluster. When the steering wheel is turned a significant amount (e.g. ½ turn or more) I've noticed that it appears the outside diameter of the steering wheel is not perfectly round though slightly oval in shape; slightly wider than it is tall. The visual aspect may be more of an illusion and could be caused by the sides of the steering wheel being more heavily bolstered compared to the top of the wheel.
However, it could very-well be a deliberate Lexus design characteristic by which the steering wheel is intentionally designed not to be perfectly aligned center-to-center to the rounded or curved dash directly above the instrument cluster - not by much but enough to be noticed by the eye of a very observant car owner/driver. If this is the reason, it would be interesting to learn why Lexus engineers designed the mounting of the steering wheel to be slightly offset, off-center to the rounded or curved dash directly above the instrument cluster as opposed to it being mounted directly in-line with it.
Anyone else notice this visual aspect when turning the steering wheel?
Ah, the little things some of us notice!
However, it could very-well be a deliberate Lexus design characteristic by which the steering wheel is intentionally designed not to be perfectly aligned center-to-center to the rounded or curved dash directly above the instrument cluster - not by much but enough to be noticed by the eye of a very observant car owner/driver. If this is the reason, it would be interesting to learn why Lexus engineers designed the mounting of the steering wheel to be slightly offset, off-center to the rounded or curved dash directly above the instrument cluster as opposed to it being mounted directly in-line with it.
Anyone else notice this visual aspect when turning the steering wheel?
Ah, the little things some of us notice!
Last edited by bclexus; 06-17-22 at 10:02 AM. Reason: grammar
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#37
Yes I have. The top part is likely what I would actually want reduced down. Again it's a matter of preference.
This is a great point you made. It would take someone like you to observe it.
My other though is why they decided to do a smaller wheel on the GSF?
This is a great point you made. It would take someone like you to observe it.
My other though is why they decided to do a smaller wheel on the GSF?
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#41
Compared to most cars steering wheel is great i can feel the quality there......... it have some little leather and some bamboo i like it i dont plan to replace it my classical cars steering wheel is full leather + carbon but i dont like it much.
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