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10-16-22 | 02:36 PM
#67
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From: Florida
ES is fine if u just need it for commuting. Just keep it under 100, it can get sketchy over 100 especially if it doesn't have AVS like mine. U can always trade it in for an LS later when u get tired of it, ES has good resale value I think. 
And keep an eye on that FSport emblem on the steering wheel, the adhesive seems to get loose after a while and can fall off. Happens to many on here too it seems, including mine. Never had this issue with the GS.
And keep an eye on that FSport emblem on the steering wheel, the adhesive seems to get loose after a while and can fall off. Happens to many on here too it seems, including mine. Never had this issue with the GS.
10-16-22 | 02:41 PM
#68
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From: Florida
@E46CT Everything you typed is assuming someone is spending time DIY.. nobody has to do DIY. These are Japanese cars, they are not expensive to repair.
As vehicles get higher into mileage there are additional maintenance items you'll have to replace.. that is well known, it is still cheaper than taking out a new car loan. We've seen a million mile LS400's and Tundra's, 400K miles IS F's. I've seen people mention high mileage on this forum and I wonder if you guys realize what kind of product you're driving, but I digress. No idea why OP's catalytic converter went bad that early, that isn't normal at all.
Saw this ES a few months ago when I went to the Lexus dealer and had to snap a pic, loved the color and the wheels. ES is a nice car
wish it was RWD.
As vehicles get higher into mileage there are additional maintenance items you'll have to replace.. that is well known, it is still cheaper than taking out a new car loan. We've seen a million mile LS400's and Tundra's, 400K miles IS F's. I've seen people mention high mileage on this forum and I wonder if you guys realize what kind of product you're driving, but I digress. No idea why OP's catalytic converter went bad that early, that isn't normal at all.
Saw this ES a few months ago when I went to the Lexus dealer and had to snap a pic, loved the color and the wheels. ES is a nice car
wish it was RWD.
10-18-22 | 01:31 PM
#69
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From: AZ
I hate to bring this up after the fact but most catalytic converters do not go bad. The downstream O2 sensor is what fails and triggers the code that your catalytic converter is bad. Like 9.99999 times out of 10. The catalytic converter should last the life of the car. The downstream O2 sensor is a $65 part and is very easy to replace.
The shops are going to look at their little flow chart which says if such and such code comes in then replace the cat (which will also instruct them to replace the O2 sensor along with it) but the part that is issuing the code is the one failing.
The shops are going to look at their little flow chart which says if such and such code comes in then replace the cat (which will also instruct them to replace the O2 sensor along with it) but the part that is issuing the code is the one failing.
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10-18-22 | 02:36 PM
#70
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From: TX
I hate to bring this up after the fact but most catalytic converters do not go bad. The downstream O2 sensor is what fails and triggers the code that your catalytic converter is bad. Like 9.99999 times out of 10. The catalytic converter should last the life of the car. The downstream O2 sensor is a $65 part and is very easy to replace.
The shops are going to look at their little flow chart which says if such and such code comes in then replace the cat (which will also instruct them to replace the O2 sensor along with it) but the part that is issuing the code is the one failing.
The shops are going to look at their little flow chart which says if such and such code comes in then replace the cat (which will also instruct them to replace the O2 sensor along with it) but the part that is issuing the code is the one failing.
Anyways.
10-19-22 | 07:54 AM
#72
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From: NJ
Do u have Sport+ or just Sport mode?
Sport+ means u have AVS and that's a game changer compared to my 21 ES with no S+ and AVS. I think the suspension rebound control is much better, like the GS. My ES would float and fly to the moon if I hit an uneven and wavy road. That's the part that I really hate about this car and u shouldn't have to upgrade anything when u just spent $54K on a brand new car.
Sport+ means u have AVS and that's a game changer compared to my 21 ES with no S+ and AVS. I think the suspension rebound control is much better, like the GS. My ES would float and fly to the moon if I hit an uneven and wavy road. That's the part that I really hate about this car and u shouldn't have to upgrade anything when u just spent $54K on a brand new car.
10-19-22 | 08:23 AM
#73
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From: California
All of the ES I saw when I bought my 21 didn't have AVS and it looks like u have to special order it to have one. All of the dealers in CA didn't have it at the time but I think now it's a part of the FSport Handling Package.
Now they have FSport appearance and FSport handling packages. This is so dumb.
There's a section on the freeway by my place that has uneven surface (wavy) and this car bounces off so hard and felt like it's about to lift off to Mars. The GS AVS really helps a lot with this and keeps the car planted. Cornering is still okay with non-AVS but the rebound control is terrible. I will gladly take any AVS equipped cars over this, it has warranty anyway.
Now they have FSport appearance and FSport handling packages. This is so dumb.
There's a section on the freeway by my place that has uneven surface (wavy) and this car bounces off so hard and felt like it's about to lift off to Mars. The GS AVS really helps a lot with this and keeps the car planted. Cornering is still okay with non-AVS but the rebound control is terrible. I will gladly take any AVS equipped cars over this, it has warranty anyway.
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10-19-22 | 10:00 AM
#74
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From: NJ
All of the ES I saw when I bought my 21 didn't have AVS and it looks like u have to special order it to have one. All of the dealers in CA didn't have it at the time but I think now it's a part of the FSport Handling Package.
Now they have FSport appearance and FSport handling packages. This is so dumb.
There's a section on the freeway by my place that has uneven surface (wavy) and this car bounces off so hard and felt like it's about to lift off to Mars. The GS AVS really helps a lot with this and keeps the car planted. Cornering is still okay with non-AVS but the rebound control is terrible. I will gladly take any AVS equipped cars over this, it has warranty anyway.
Now they have FSport appearance and FSport handling packages. This is so dumb.
There's a section on the freeway by my place that has uneven surface (wavy) and this car bounces off so hard and felt like it's about to lift off to Mars. The GS AVS really helps a lot with this and keeps the car planted. Cornering is still okay with non-AVS but the rebound control is terrible. I will gladly take any AVS equipped cars over this, it has warranty anyway.