Problem with Outside Air coming in even in Air Recirculation mode is set
#16
Lexus Test Driver
Yup I know - that is why I said I have the same problem as the OP
Agree - the duct tape was the temporary measure suggested by the Toyota authorized nearby (Auto 2000) as well but to be honest it did not really solve the problem, outside air still enters through the gap - you know how bad the diesel fumes from the trucks in Indonesia can be. They don't want to fiddle with the console box / dashboard and asked me to go to Lexus authorized instead.
As the service queue was too long (as you know we only have 3 Lexus authorized in the whole country), I opted to go to a 3rd party workshop and they got rid of the duct tape and cardboard that Toyota authorized applied, and used damp membrane kit + sealant instead. It works wonders honestly - I don't need fresh air circulation since there is no "fresh air" in Urban Jakarta Metro area.
Thanks for this - I also came across the same document when doing my own research. When doing my regular maintenance, I brought it to the Lexus authorized to show them this document and they said that reprogramming and cleaning would still need disassembly of the dashboard and it's not guaranteed fix. They suggested since I have solved it with the damp membrane kit + sealant, to just keep it going as it's working very nicely for me and I don't have to waste $$ for the service fee required for disassembly and possibly requiring to replace servo + amplifier.
Agree - the duct tape was the temporary measure suggested by the Toyota authorized nearby (Auto 2000) as well but to be honest it did not really solve the problem, outside air still enters through the gap - you know how bad the diesel fumes from the trucks in Indonesia can be. They don't want to fiddle with the console box / dashboard and asked me to go to Lexus authorized instead.
As the service queue was too long (as you know we only have 3 Lexus authorized in the whole country), I opted to go to a 3rd party workshop and they got rid of the duct tape and cardboard that Toyota authorized applied, and used damp membrane kit + sealant instead. It works wonders honestly - I don't need fresh air circulation since there is no "fresh air" in Urban Jakarta Metro area.
Thanks for this - I also came across the same document when doing my own research. When doing my regular maintenance, I brought it to the Lexus authorized to show them this document and they said that reprogramming and cleaning would still need disassembly of the dashboard and it's not guaranteed fix. They suggested since I have solved it with the damp membrane kit + sealant, to just keep it going as it's working very nicely for me and I don't have to waste $$ for the service fee required for disassembly and possibly requiring to replace servo + amplifier.
Last edited by bclexus; 07-16-24 at 09:48 AM. Reason: orthography
#17
That 3 Lexus Dealers are just for oil changes and regular minor maintenance ( that i also have stopped visiting as they only provide two kinds of oil 5W40 and 0w20, i prefered 5w30), you need to go to the main workshop at sunter but you have be refered by these dealers. But The experience at Dealer shop is very entertaining , during the pandemic i didn't mind siting the whole day and worked from there.
>and used damp membrane kit + sealant instead.
not sure what you meant, but i think the right way to correct the two valves to point in in the right direction, also not sure also if for your case, both valves are stucked or just one. if ever both are stucked, sealing the air hose will block the overall air flow. if only one stucked, you will still have enough air flow from the cabin
and At some I point if you want to keep the car you need to replace the whole HVAC assembly brand new
when it get worse you won't get any air blowing at all, as there are more than 5 motor servos, , the one control the recirculation is just one of them.
I never dare to touch any climate button anymore except the fan speed check this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWNBgfXgp0Q
>I brought it to the Lexus authorized to show them this document
i didn't bother presenting it to them, I ve guesed how would they respond.
>and used damp membrane kit + sealant instead.
not sure what you meant, but i think the right way to correct the two valves to point in in the right direction, also not sure also if for your case, both valves are stucked or just one. if ever both are stucked, sealing the air hose will block the overall air flow. if only one stucked, you will still have enough air flow from the cabin
and At some I point if you want to keep the car you need to replace the whole HVAC assembly brand new
when it get worse you won't get any air blowing at all, as there are more than 5 motor servos, , the one control the recirculation is just one of them.
I never dare to touch any climate button anymore except the fan speed check this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWNBgfXgp0Q
>I brought it to the Lexus authorized to show them this document
i didn't bother presenting it to them, I ve guesed how would they respond.
And yes - this car has like 9 servos, lovely.. I never touch the buttons except fan speed up&down & off button as well haha.
@Mives - What is the 'damp membrane kit plus sealant' in reference to having solved?
Here's a picture after the damp membrane kit has been applied, and the damp membrane kit i was referring to (not really sure of the actual name, the workshop told me that's the name but it's secondhand information for me so take it with a grain of salt)
#18
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Thread Starter
@Mives - What in particular is the 'damp (sic) [damper] membrane kit plus sealant' in reference to - and how exactly was it used to solve the problem?
#19
Lexus Test Driver
Manually forcing stuck or non-moving temperature-airflow blend doors - or permanently locking/sealing damper blend doors into a position - could very likely cause damage that would be difficult to access or to repair.
If a damper blend door's hinge or the servo connection arm pivot point for the door is broken, I do not think it will be possible to replace it or to fix it. All these selective parts or fairly fragile to begin with...
Last edited by bclexus; 07-16-24 at 12:17 PM. Reason: orthography
#20
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Seems like a wacky jackleg way to get some preferred air temperature or airflow that might very-well cause damage to a damper door's hinge or a servo's internal parts, which doesn't solve anything.
Manually forcing stuck or non-moving temperature-airflow blend doors - or permanently locking/sealing damper blend doors into a position - could very likely cause damage that would be difficult to access or to repair.
If a damper blend door's hinge or the servo connection arm pivot point for the door is broken, I do not think it will be possible to replace it or to fix it. All these selective parts or fairly fragile to begin with...
Manually forcing stuck or non-moving temperature-airflow blend doors - or permanently locking/sealing damper blend doors into a position - could very likely cause damage that would be difficult to access or to repair.
If a damper blend door's hinge or the servo connection arm pivot point for the door is broken, I do not think it will be possible to replace it or to fix it. All these selective parts or fairly fragile to begin with...
The Car Care Nut Video explain in details how this HVAC mechanism work. If other motor servo doing other thing broke down to, just buy the whole assembly as the dealer suggested, because changing partially doesn't work , you need to strip down interior (the whole dash ) for every motorservo you need to replace
#21
Lexus Test Driver
The Reason I Created this Thread initially is to have opinions if it harmfull to force close the doors , and FINALLY I decided to have the doors forcefully locked to Air Recirculation. that SOLVE the problem without having to change the motors. Here in the city traffic, we don't need fresh air.
The Car Care Nut Video explain in details how this HVAC mechanism work. If other motor servo doing other thing broke downto, just buy the whole assemblyas the dealer suggested,because changing partially doesn't work, you need to strip down interior (the whole dash ) for every motorservo you need to replace
The Car Care Nut Video explain in details how this HVAC mechanism work. If other motor servo doing other thing broke downto, just buy the whole assemblyas the dealer suggested,because changing partially doesn't work, you need to strip down interior (the whole dash ) for every motorservo you need to replace
If I understand your perspective based on The Car Care Nut's advice, that if more than just one servo motor fails it's necessary for the car's interior to be stripped down, including removing the whole dash - and it's recommended to just buy and replace the whole HVAC assembly because replacing individual servos isn't going to fix the problem...
If that was the purpose of The Car Care Nut making the video you posted, that's downright scary.
If nothing else, it turns people away from owning a Lexus. I'm appalled!
Last edited by bclexus; 07-17-24 at 06:18 AM. Reason: orthography
#22
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There Are 11 Damper Servos. Unless you can do it your self stripping the dash and re-install it, then it make sense you only replace the one that is broken, each servo cost 80-100 usd
Well if onespending the whole weekends dedicated to it , it's his hobby ? if not they need to pay someone else
Well if onespending the whole weekends dedicated to it , it's his hobby ? if not they need to pay someone else
#23
Lexus Test Driver
Did you have your car's servos initialized using Techstream? Was your air conditioner's amplifier reprogrammed? If not, why not?
► https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...88921-9999.pdf
► https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...88921-9999.pdf
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#24
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I remembered I tried that initialization step with my techstream, I forgot the steps , but i remembered i followed the instructin on the service manual,
and the mechanic at toyota must have done it too. and I could not make it go away : it's permanent,
in the beginning when i first encountered this problem I only got B1442, that s the air inlet motor damper.
but last time i checked there are more codes : 48,49 and 55 too. A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face. but it problem dissapear when i restart the car
I haven't presented the buletin update to the guy at lexus dealer as I have stopped using their service, but mives did (checked his posts )
The pdf you showed me is for USA Market, and though my GS is the latest generation but it's 2012 not 2013 production.
If someday It fails again and air stop blowing, I'd have no other options but come to them, and persuade them to try follow the procedures first
and the mechanic at toyota must have done it too. and I could not make it go away : it's permanent,
in the beginning when i first encountered this problem I only got B1442, that s the air inlet motor damper.
but last time i checked there are more codes : 48,49 and 55 too. A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face. but it problem dissapear when i restart the car
I haven't presented the buletin update to the guy at lexus dealer as I have stopped using their service, but mives did (checked his posts )
The pdf you showed me is for USA Market, and though my GS is the latest generation but it's 2012 not 2013 production.
If someday It fails again and air stop blowing, I'd have no other options but come to them, and persuade them to try follow the procedures first
#25
Lexus Test Driver
I remembered I tried that initialization step with my techstream, I forgot the steps , but i remembered i followed the instructin on the service manual,
and the mechanic at toyota must have done it too. and I could not make it go away : it's permanent,
in the beginning when i first encountered this problem I only got B1442, that s the air inlet motor damper.
but last time i checked there are more codes : 48,49 and 55 too. A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face. but it problem dissapear when i restart the car
I haven't presented the buletin update to the guy at lexus dealer as I have stopped using their service, but mives did (checked his posts )
The pdf you showed me is for USA Market, and though my GS is the latest generation but it's 2012 not 2013 production.
If someday It fails again and air stop blowing, I'd have no other options but come to them, and persuade them to try follow the procedures first.
and the mechanic at toyota must have done it too. and I could not make it go away : it's permanent,
in the beginning when i first encountered this problem I only got B1442, that s the air inlet motor damper.
but last time i checked there are more codes : 48,49 and 55 too. A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face. but it problem dissapear when i restart the car
I haven't presented the buletin update to the guy at lexus dealer as I have stopped using their service, but mives did (checked his posts )
The pdf you showed me is for USA Market, and though my GS is the latest generation but it's 2012 not 2013 production.
If someday It fails again and air stop blowing, I'd have no other options but come to them, and persuade them to try follow the procedures first.
I don't think there is any difference in a 2012 build vs a 2013 build 4GS, nor a model destined to Southeast Asia where your car was most likely delivered.
Do you have any knowledge why restarting the car suddenly provided airflow to your face again?
You may want to delve into how the air conditioner amplifier (among other similar 'signaling' electronic control units) work when power is interrupted and then activated/restored. Here's a hint - the air conditioner amplifier assembly needs to be either reprogrammed or replaced.
Last edited by bclexus; 07-17-24 at 05:01 PM. Reason: orthography
#26
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Thread Starter
I'm not sure how to interpret your comment that you have stopped using the Lexus dealer's service. I hope you haven't rejected the Lexus dealer at a time when you might need them the most.
I don't think there is any difference in a 2012 build vs a 2013 build 4GS, nor a model destined to Southeast Asia where your car was most likely delivered.
Do you have any knowledge why restarting the car suddenly provided airflow to your face again?
You may want to delve into how the air conditioner amplifier (among other similar 'signaling' electronic control units) work when power is interrupted and then activated/restored. Here's a hint - the air conditioner amplifier assembly needs to be either reprogrammed or replaced.
I don't think there is any difference in a 2012 build vs a 2013 build 4GS, nor a model destined to Southeast Asia where your car was most likely delivered.
Do you have any knowledge why restarting the car suddenly provided airflow to your face again?
You may want to delve into how the air conditioner amplifier (among other similar 'signaling' electronic control units) work when power is interrupted and then activated/restored. Here's a hint - the air conditioner amplifier assembly needs to be either reprogrammed or replaced.
I have nothing against Lexus Dealers, the staffs and technicsians are friendly and helpfull and the place is luxurious. I just stopped doing regular maintenance there (why?? check my previous post) . But If I need some heavy works, especially for parts only available on lexus model, I will come back to the dealer for sure, example if I decided to change the whole assembly completely and couldn't find better altervatives.
And I just called them today and forward the pdf, they still come up with the same answer 2 years ago, Re-Initialization and reset, and if the codes do not disapear, they would suggest replace the whole assembly or at least replacing all the servo motors. no mention reprogramming the ac amplifier assembly. But I'd try to find if someone familiar with that, yeah I shoud try that
I DID NOT say I fixed my problem by restarting the cars, I SAID a few times, I experience the air not blowing to my face, BUT IT (the problem) WENT AWAY after I restarted The Engine to continue my journey. , but if If I SCANNED the car to OBD Port with techstrean or other, those error codes are still present. The Problem MAY come again i dont' know WHEN, hopefully never.
in Youtube, we could find hundreds of video by lexus drivers experiencing the similar issue, and solve it by re-initializaion , there are also procedure to initialize without using techstream, I ve tried that As well
- peace -
Last edited by mdony72; 07-18-24 at 12:54 AM.
#27
I remembered I tried that initialization step with my techstream, I forgot the steps , but i remembered i followed the instructin on the service manual,
and the mechanic at toyota must have done it too. and I could not make it go away : it's permanent,
in the beginning when i first encountered this problem I only got B1442, that s the air inlet motor damper.
but last time i checked there are more codes : 48,49 and 55 too. A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face. but it problem dissapear when i restart the car
I haven't presented the buletin update to the guy at lexus dealer as I have stopped using their service, but mives did (checked his posts )
The pdf you showed me is for USA Market, and though my GS is the latest generation but it's 2012 not 2013 production.
If someday It fails again and air stop blowing, I'd have no other options but come to them, and persuade them to try follow the procedures first
and the mechanic at toyota must have done it too. and I could not make it go away : it's permanent,
in the beginning when i first encountered this problem I only got B1442, that s the air inlet motor damper.
but last time i checked there are more codes : 48,49 and 55 too. A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face. but it problem dissapear when i restart the car
I haven't presented the buletin update to the guy at lexus dealer as I have stopped using their service, but mives did (checked his posts )
The pdf you showed me is for USA Market, and though my GS is the latest generation but it's 2012 not 2013 production.
If someday It fails again and air stop blowing, I'd have no other options but come to them, and persuade them to try follow the procedures first
"A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face"
Yes! this happened to me once (only driver's side's vents) and the code that appeared back then was 42, 48, 55. Did a scan and reset and it's working well again.
Prior to that, there was a time when the driver's side's vents were also letting out hot air (hot, not ambient) and the passengers' and back row's are letting out cold air. Scan-reset fixed it as well.
And yeah I printed the docs out and gave it to them. Both the Service Advisor and the Mechanic took a look on it, they said reprogram and cleaning both require a disassembly so they'd avoid. They said that closing off the inlet like what I have done at the other workshop is a more preferable way to reprogram and cleaning.
I didn't really want to argue or push my opinion since it was actually already working fine and I was short on time. They could only got me a schedule on a Friday and I had to spend extra time since they need to do Friday prayers in between.
In the end, I only got them to check the HVAC stuffs just as a bonus since I was going there mainly for spark plugs and brake pad.
Looking at youtube videos on car maintenance stuff (mainly originated from the U.S.). I think I'll have to inform that I don't think there is any workshop outside of Toyota dealerships (in Indonesia) that is using Techstream. Therefore, we are really relying on Toyota dealerships to do any Techstream-related stuff for us. The workshops outside Toyota network are using Launch, Autel and the likes. (at least I haven't found one that is using Techstream).
The guys at the Toyota dealership did not want to perform what I wanted them to do because there are Lexus dealership in the same region.
Lexus dealerships here, most of the visitors are chauffeurs and not the owners. This probably shapes the Indonesian Lexus' mechanics' mindset differently in comparison to other markets such as the U.S. They are less interested in the problem and more interested into getting the owners to replace a parts which they could probably fix in another way.
All in all, I just wish the HVAC system in this car isn't this complicated with so many servos involved. Otherwise, love this car! sounds great when you rev it and you can probably count by fingers how many GS are in the country - people only know LX RX and ES in here (maybe UX too now).
#28
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"A few times i experienced the air stop blowing to my face"
Yes! this happened to me once (only driver's side's vents) and the code that appeared back then was 42, 48, 55. Did a scan and reset and it's working well again.
Prior to that, there was a time when the driver's side's vents were also letting out hot air (hot, not ambient) and the passengers' and back row's are letting out cold air. Scan-reset fixed it as well.
And yeah I printed the docs out and gave it to them. Both the Service Advisor and the Mechanic took a look on it, they said reprogram and cleaning both require a disassembly so they'd avoid. They said that closing off the inlet like what I have done at the other workshop is a more preferable way to reprogram and cleaning.
I didn't really want to argue or push my opinion since it was actually already working fine and I was short on time. They could only got me a schedule on a Friday and I had to spend extra time since they need to do Friday prayers in between.
In the end, I only got them to check the HVAC stuffs just as a bonus since I was going there mainly for spark plugs and brake pad.
Looking at youtube videos on car maintenance stuff (mainly originated from the U.S.). I think I'll have to inform that I don't think there is any workshop outside of Toyota dealerships (in Indonesia) that is using Techstream. Therefore, we are really relying on Toyota dealerships to do any Techstream-related stuff for us. The workshops outside Toyota network are using Launch, Autel and the likes. (at least I haven't found one that is using Techstream).
The guys at the Toyota dealership did not want to perform what I wanted them to do because there are Lexus dealership in the same region.
Lexus dealerships here, most of the visitors are chauffeurs and not the owners. This probably shapes the Indonesian Lexus' mechanics' mindset differently in comparison to other markets such as the U.S. They are less interested in the problem and more interested into getting the owners to replace a parts which they could probably fix in another way.
All in all, I just wish the HVAC system in this car isn't this complicated with so many servos involved. Otherwise, love this car! sounds great when you rev it and you can probably count by fingers how many GS are in the country - people only know LX RX and ES in here (maybe UX too now).
Yes! this happened to me once (only driver's side's vents) and the code that appeared back then was 42, 48, 55. Did a scan and reset and it's working well again.
Prior to that, there was a time when the driver's side's vents were also letting out hot air (hot, not ambient) and the passengers' and back row's are letting out cold air. Scan-reset fixed it as well.
And yeah I printed the docs out and gave it to them. Both the Service Advisor and the Mechanic took a look on it, they said reprogram and cleaning both require a disassembly so they'd avoid. They said that closing off the inlet like what I have done at the other workshop is a more preferable way to reprogram and cleaning.
I didn't really want to argue or push my opinion since it was actually already working fine and I was short on time. They could only got me a schedule on a Friday and I had to spend extra time since they need to do Friday prayers in between.
In the end, I only got them to check the HVAC stuffs just as a bonus since I was going there mainly for spark plugs and brake pad.
Looking at youtube videos on car maintenance stuff (mainly originated from the U.S.). I think I'll have to inform that I don't think there is any workshop outside of Toyota dealerships (in Indonesia) that is using Techstream. Therefore, we are really relying on Toyota dealerships to do any Techstream-related stuff for us. The workshops outside Toyota network are using Launch, Autel and the likes. (at least I haven't found one that is using Techstream).
The guys at the Toyota dealership did not want to perform what I wanted them to do because there are Lexus dealership in the same region.
Lexus dealerships here, most of the visitors are chauffeurs and not the owners. This probably shapes the Indonesian Lexus' mechanics' mindset differently in comparison to other markets such as the U.S. They are less interested in the problem and more interested into getting the owners to replace a parts which they could probably fix in another way.
All in all, I just wish the HVAC system in this car isn't this complicated with so many servos involved. Otherwise, love this car! sounds great when you rev it and you can probably count by fingers how many GS are in the country - people only know LX RX and ES in here (maybe UX too now).
You can get techstream from the internet if you want. BUT to do reprogramming i think it has to be done ONLY at a Lexus Authorized Dealership. And of course it will be CRAZY to risk it doing anywhere else.
Lately i searched youtube and found a few people fix partial motor servos without completely stripping the dash. Unfortunately there hasn't been one with Lexus GS last generation. Mostly RX, and mostly LEFT HAND DRIVE.( But i plan to dig more on this)
LEXUS has only been official in Indonesia in 2009 i guessed So most cars are relatively NEW. And most of them are crossover, so few of them are sedans. To Indy Mechanics LX are more familiar as they re almost the sama as Toyota Land Cruiser
with only 3 authorized Dealers. They d be busy doing regular maintenance on brand new owners still under Warranty. For Old BMW or Mercedes owners situation is far better as there so many Specialized mechanics and parts are plenties. With GS . I usually have to order one from ebay. Faster than if i have to wait for the dealer ordering from Japan.
it s Not every 3 months or 6 months i would encounter another GS on the Road or parking lot. s so Rare
mine is a Hybrid. Before i bought it the most thing i anticipated most is how i would maintance or replace th HV Batteries. Never crossed my mind HVAC is an issue
#29
yea Mives. Yesterday i called one of Service Advisor at Lexus Dealer. And he ASSURED me there has been NO recall or update program regarding. "AC AMPLIFIER ASSEMBLY REPROGRAMMING". Had It ever existed They Would Have Told all owners about it. ( maybe we need to escalate this to Lexus Japan )
You can get techstream from the internet if you want. BUT to do reprogramming i think it has to be done ONLY at a Lexus Authorized Dealership. And of course it will be CRAZY to risk it doing anywhere else.
Lately i searched youtube and found a few people fix partial motor servos without completely stripping the dash. Unfortunately there hasn't been one with Lexus GS last generation. Mostly RX, and mostly LEFT HAND DRIVE.( But i plan to dig more on this)
LEXUS has only been official in Indonesia in 2009 i guessed So most cars are relatively NEW. And most of them are crossover, so few of them are sedans. To Indy Mechanics LX are more familiar as they re almost the sama as Toyota Land Cruiser
with only 3 authorized Dealers. They d be busy doing regular maintenance on brand new owners still under Warranty. For Old BMW or Mercedes owners situation is far better as there so many Specialized mechanics and parts are plenties. With GS . I usually have to order one from ebay. Faster than if i have to wait for the dealer ordering from Japan.
it s Not every 3 months or 6 months i would encounter another GS on the Road or parking lot. s so Rare
mine is a Hybrid. Before i bought it the most thing i anticipated most is how i would maintance or replace th HV Batteries. Never crossed my mind HVAC is an issue
You can get techstream from the internet if you want. BUT to do reprogramming i think it has to be done ONLY at a Lexus Authorized Dealership. And of course it will be CRAZY to risk it doing anywhere else.
Lately i searched youtube and found a few people fix partial motor servos without completely stripping the dash. Unfortunately there hasn't been one with Lexus GS last generation. Mostly RX, and mostly LEFT HAND DRIVE.( But i plan to dig more on this)
LEXUS has only been official in Indonesia in 2009 i guessed So most cars are relatively NEW. And most of them are crossover, so few of them are sedans. To Indy Mechanics LX are more familiar as they re almost the sama as Toyota Land Cruiser
with only 3 authorized Dealers. They d be busy doing regular maintenance on brand new owners still under Warranty. For Old BMW or Mercedes owners situation is far better as there so many Specialized mechanics and parts are plenties. With GS . I usually have to order one from ebay. Faster than if i have to wait for the dealer ordering from Japan.
it s Not every 3 months or 6 months i would encounter another GS on the Road or parking lot. s so Rare
mine is a Hybrid. Before i bought it the most thing i anticipated most is how i would maintance or replace th HV Batteries. Never crossed my mind HVAC is an issue
And yeah way faster than the dealership ordering it. They told me they'd give me a quote for hood stay bars and even then it's gonna take a month to order since they don't have it ready.
I ordered one from amayama, shipped from Japan in less than two weeks . Meanwhile Lexus still hasn't sent me the quote which they probably have forgotten to do so.
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