I still say the GSF is more competitor of the BMW 550i M sport. Horsepower is close, tech is close, price is close (BMW tech is a bit better actually when it works right). VERY similar. The 550i M sport makes a lot nicer daily driver than the M5. Very fast but not on the edge like the full M cars. Similar to the GSF. Those cars are the closest competitors. I would not buy an M5 or any 5 series right now anyways because the new model is coming out next year. The current model value is going to crash HARD.

 

Don't be a pissy little ***** just because somebody has a different opinion than you do. Last I checked, this isn't North Korea and this is not a propaganda forum with only one viewpoint allowed.

You have 9 posts on CL and just joined 2 months ago, so you can kindly GFY.

The GS has always been a direct competitor to the E and 5 series. You don't think they created the F to compete with M and AMG? If not, you are in denial. Every single one of us on these forums are car enthusiasts and being somebody that has owned multiple Lexus vehicles over the years (and been here a hell of a lot longer than you), I am more than qualified to have an opinion.

 

Nice post. Thanks for the viewpoint. The M5 will be my daily driver, but I don't do a lot of driving as I work from home and fly when traveling so it's mostly for fun for me.

Agree on the new model coming out, but the new M won't be out until MY2018 at the earliest. I'm leasing so I'm not as worried about the value or body style. My wife and I are starting a family and it's highly likely that I could wind up in a 550i M Sport or GS-F (if some improvements are made - didn't like the side bolsters or tech when I drove it) next go round.

 

You come into this thread 5 pages in and hi-jack it telling the OP and everyone else on the thread how his new GSF is a "watered down" sports sedan.

As a fellow owner, I take issue with it.

OK, so your opinion has been stated, you picked a non-Lexus. You think the GSF is crap, why are you still here?

 

You must be new to the internet. Here's a tip: Don't take everything personally. I don't have to answer to you about any of my interests, but I'm here because I've been a longtime Lexus owner in this market segment.

I would appreciate it if you did not put words into my mouth. I never said the GSF is crap. It's a great automobile and better than most people will ever own in their lifetime. But IT IS watered down compared to the vehicles that it is seemingly competing against in the M, S, and AMG and most people on this thread including the OP to seem to agree with that.

 

you said that the OP can't handle the M5 and wants a watered down performance sedan. why? because he chose the GSF over the M5.

and then you continue blab on about your delivery that no one cares about, all in the OP's "just picked up a GS-F" thread.

if I didn't know better I would say your "interest" is in self-promoting and justifying to yourself that the M5 is better than the GS-F.

i mean, how else can you mention your M5 purchase on 3 different threads in one day?

hopefully in 8 days you will have better things to do than justify your decision by criticizing other members.

 

LMAO.

 

M5 is definately fun but do yourself a favor and drive the M3 too. Its alot MORE fun yet. And 30-40k cheaper to boot! M5 is more executive class autobahn stormer and the M3 is just an absolute riot to drive. Especially with the 6MT. I think thats what i struggled the most with the M5. It has all the numbers, its comfortable, it has awesome tech, but somehow, its just not really fun to drive after awhile. After the HOLY **** feeling wears off, you start to realize its a giant car and one hand says i paid this much for this horsepower, i need to use it all the time or its a waste, and the other part says this car just really feels too big to go this fast and its not really all that fun. So hard to explain really. That said, i love the X6M. Its actually quicker than the M5. The Xdrive really helps get the car moving. The real M5 horsepower is well over 600 and thats been well documented. With a lightweight or mid engine car that works ok with RWD but the M5 really fights itself for traction pretty much all the time. With DSC on, it just bogs down the engine, and goes annoyingly slow. With MDM mode on, the tires will spin and its a lot faster but when it breaks grip in a straight line, it always kicks the rear end right and aims the car at oncoming traffic. With all traction off, you just straight up die. Lol. Track only. Don't even try it if there are other cars on the road. Unless you want to do donuts, drifts, whatever. The M3 really hooks up so much better than the M5. Less power but a LOT less weight. It hooks right up and pulls really aggressively. The M3 feels a LOT like an F430. Just that raw, light and super aggressive feeling that It can easily handle 500hp or a little more without issue while the M5 IMO is already considerably past the limits of horsepower to traction.

The GSF specs are definately "watered down" compared with the M5 or CTSV. But its like taking the M5, and dialing it down just enough that it works just right. There is no drama with the GSF. Its really awesome to drive. So much easy control of the car yet still VERY fast. If you want the drama, M3 or even Shelby GT350 bring a lot more engaging experiences behind the wheel than the CTSV or M5 and cost a lot less.

 

with the m3 getting cheaper and cheaper (lease price wise), i am thinking more and more about it indeed. been thinking about m5 but like you said it's a compromise between size and performance, and the extra 200 bucks difference in lease.

reading your post makes me leaning towards the m3 even more

 

I got every option on my M3 except DCT and with the 68% residual, i am paying $423/mo with 7k out of pocket. My M5 i was paying $685/mo with 25k out of pocket. Both 3yr/36k. The M5 i always thought was a really nice car but it never felt like a sports car. The M3 every time i drive it its ear to ear grins and laughter. Its just a perfect balance of handling, power, traction and control. Same feeling i get driving Ferraris, Lambos, etc. It just has that exotic feeling to it. Its too much crazy for a family car it really is. Thats why i added the GSF to the fleet. But as a toy i can't think of any car i've ever enjoyed more than the F80 M3.

 

What numbers and lease prices are people able to get wth the m3?

 

Jmtamu, last I checked, you aren't a moderator.

With your tenure on CL, you should know that rude posts like these are not allowed here and you can see the reason why...

Please exit this thread.

 

great info there, that's quite a big difference on your prices! did you get both cars when they first came out?

423 with 7k down 3 yrs, that's like 625 a month with zero down. that sounds a lot cheaper than the ongoing rate??? i mean, 600 bucks to lease a m3 (80k car) for 3 yrs, i'd jump on it.

685 with 25k down 3 yrs, that's almost 1400 a month with zero down. that's on the high side unless it was the first year model?

so far from the rough number i get, it's around 800 for m3 and 1000 for m5 give or take. but i haven't checked on prices for a while since it will be another 6 months or so before i start shopping again

 

Your numbers for the M3 seem more in line with the current going rate. I just started shopping for the M3 and 3 year 10k lease residuals for the F80 is 63% and 62% for the F82.

 

When i got mine in September, 36 mo 12k residual was 68% and money factor was really good too. I was happy! Plus i paid 500 below invoice and buy rate. The M5 residual was not good nor was the rate in december 2012. I paid invoice for that one but had to put a ton down to get a good payment.