Best Headers for Power 1st, Sound 2nd
#1
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Best Headers for Power 1st, Sound 2nd
Guys! Can you give me your best arguments on what headers will get you the most power gains in your opinion; not taking sound quality as the primary consideration? Assume a GSF with high flow cat-back exhaust (no secondary cats).
I'm not convinced that Novel will get you much better performance (no doubt much better sound) than traditional long tubes will... There are people here that could clarify this, we will see what they say...
Designo said: ""The best combo was high flow cat backs with equal length headers with high flow cats integrated into them. Perfect""
Well said, I definitively agree with him that this would be the best way to generate the best sound... do you think this is also the best power combination?
Come on guys! There is a lot of people here with direct experience and good knowledge on this topic. Please put it out there so others can benefit from what you know and have seen.
Thank you advanced!
I'm not convinced that Novel will get you much better performance (no doubt much better sound) than traditional long tubes will... There are people here that could clarify this, we will see what they say...
Designo said: ""The best combo was high flow cat backs with equal length headers with high flow cats integrated into them. Perfect""
Well said, I definitively agree with him that this would be the best way to generate the best sound... do you think this is also the best power combination?
Come on guys! There is a lot of people here with direct experience and good knowledge on this topic. Please put it out there so others can benefit from what you know and have seen.
Thank you advanced!
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Can you elaborate on this? I’m torn torn between PPE and novel headers at the moment
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There are many posts describing each of them.
Here's one:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...e-headers.html
Lou
Here's one:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...e-headers.html
Lou
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I don't think a cat back exhaust will give you any power gains. I'm yet to see evidence of this online.
I also have not seen any GSF dyno chart showing pre and post upgraded manifolds on stock tune.
As far as sound is concerned, so far it seems the Novel headers sound the best. Mainly because of their equal length design and the fact that there is a video of it used on a bone stock GSF.
I also have not seen any GSF dyno chart showing pre and post upgraded manifolds on stock tune.
As far as sound is concerned, so far it seems the Novel headers sound the best. Mainly because of their equal length design and the fact that there is a video of it used on a bone stock GSF.
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^^^^
1. Your wrong - A well designed catback exhaust will add power, there are threads showing this.
2. Your probably right about an intake not adding or adding very little.
3. As I posted above, PPE makes both EL and UL headers for the GSF. Each has a unique sound. There are threads describing this.
Lou
1. Your wrong - A well designed catback exhaust will add power, there are threads showing this.
2. Your probably right about an intake not adding or adding very little.
3. As I posted above, PPE makes both EL and UL headers for the GSF. Each has a unique sound. There are threads describing this.
Lou
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Thanks for replying Lou, your contributions are always appreciated.
I have been trying to search all over the forum for this claim. Would you be able to help me find one example please? Thank you.
Agreed
I've seen videos of Novel on a bone stock GSF. Any videos of the PPE Equal Lengths on a bone stock GSF? Would love to hear the sound.
I've seen videos of Novel on a bone stock GSF. Any videos of the PPE Equal Lengths on a bone stock GSF? Would love to hear the sound.
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Why did you quit at 6500 rpm? Hard to figure a shift point on a graph that doesn't peak and drop off at some point.
#12
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Guys-
Thanks for the responses and information so far. Are we saying here that PPE equal length carry the "same" power improvements than traditional long tubes from PPE or SIKKY for example? I would find that difficult to understand as equal length tubes are indeed "equal" in length, so exhaust gases in total will travel more distance as oppose to unequal length tubes, were some of the tubes have a much shorter path to the collector.
At least the PPE equal length headers do not have the integrated CAT that Novel has... Therefore, they should be (all else equal) slightly more efficient headers than the Novel's.
Thanks for the responses and information so far. Are we saying here that PPE equal length carry the "same" power improvements than traditional long tubes from PPE or SIKKY for example? I would find that difficult to understand as equal length tubes are indeed "equal" in length, so exhaust gases in total will travel more distance as oppose to unequal length tubes, were some of the tubes have a much shorter path to the collector.
At least the PPE equal length headers do not have the integrated CAT that Novel has... Therefore, they should be (all else equal) slightly more efficient headers than the Novel's.
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Guys-
Thanks for the responses and information so far. Are we saying here that PPE equal length carry the "same" power improvements than traditional long tubes from PPE or SIKKY for example? I would find that difficult to understand as equal length tubes are indeed "equal" in length, so exhaust gases in total will travel more distance as oppose to unequal length tubes, were some of the tubes have a much shorter path to the collector.
At least the PPE equal length headers do not have the integrated CAT that Novel has... Therefore, they should be (all else equal) slightly more efficient headers than the Novel's.
Thanks for the responses and information so far. Are we saying here that PPE equal length carry the "same" power improvements than traditional long tubes from PPE or SIKKY for example? I would find that difficult to understand as equal length tubes are indeed "equal" in length, so exhaust gases in total will travel more distance as oppose to unequal length tubes, were some of the tubes have a much shorter path to the collector.
At least the PPE equal length headers do not have the integrated CAT that Novel has... Therefore, they should be (all else equal) slightly more efficient headers than the Novel's.
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I called summit racing for an unrelated issue and asked them about what long tube means. They basically said its a term used (loosely) to differentiate headers from exhaust manifolds. "Long tube" headers came from the old rat racing/street racing scene from the 40s. Headers are normally longer in length compared to OE manifolds so I guess the term stuck. Now whether the sales guy was just pulling this out his @$$ or not who knows, sounded plausible at the time.
But thanks for the detailed, knowledgeable explanation.
But thanks for the detailed, knowledgeable explanation.