Is Lexus dropping Sirius? (more)
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Originally Posted by CVsGX470
I think the subscriber numbers are skewed since XM has been around longer. If you look at overall subscribers/equipment and talent, XM wins hands down.
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content wise you can talk about how XM is better all you want. All I'm saying is appears the majority for the last three quarters has choosen Sirius for one reason or another. Maybe the fourth quarter will be kinder to XM, who knows. But every estimate XM has predicted in the last year has overshot the actual numbers. XM continues to blame it on "soft retail sales" but if that's the case why is Sirius surpassing expectations?
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Originally Posted by CVsGX470
The program offering is much better than Sirrus. I take it you have never listened to Opie and Anthony?
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Oh, and I've heard of the Opie and Anthony gig. Their XM show was tanking so bad, they had to go back to regular radio to get listeners. LOL.
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Originally Posted by CVsGX470
I think the subscriber numbers are skewed since XM has been around longer. If you look at overall subscribers/equipment and talent, XM wins hands down.
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I WILL close this thread if misinformation continues to be spewed all over the place, and it sure is in this case. I have spent years on here trying to control the spread of misinformation on this topic on CL. Just look at some of my posts if you don't believe me. Please keep the derogatory comments, one way or the other, to facts, not hearsay.
Toyota has a deal with XM for factory installs, but will continue to offer the Sirius kit. If you look at my sticky post in the Audio forum, it is explained why Sirius reception in Toyotas suffers due to the antenna they chose, and what to do about it. Sirius tried to convince Toyota NOT to use the internal antenna, but they were too afraid of the cosmetic issues with the external ones.
As far as XM vs Sirius goes, Sirius has been signing new subscribers vs XM at a rate of 3 to 2. BOTH services are EXCELLENT compared to FM radio, in both reception/signal/audio quality, and content, which is why the debate should not get too heated. XM is simply NOT a much better product, as stated. The services are very close in both content, hardware, and reception.
The future outlook seems to indicate that most headunits and nav units will be equipped for both, and you will get to decide which you want to activate. Provided that both services continue to be viable. So most arguments of which one each car manufacturer picked are fortunately short-lived and temporary.
Which service you prefer is simply a matter of opinion, like vanilla & chocolate.
Jerry
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Yeah the exclusive nonsense I was very suspicious about. I think that's where the thread started to peddle non related information to support a nonsensical theory.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Originally Posted by engin_ear
Lexus is NOT dropping Sirius.
I WILL close this thread if misinformation continues to be spewed all over the place, and it sure is in this case. I have spent years on here trying to control the spread of misinformation on this topic on CL. Just look at some of my posts if you don't believe me. Please keep the derogatory comments, one way or the other, to facts, not hearsay.
Toyota has a deal with XM for factory installs, but will continue to offer the Sirius kit. If you look at my sticky post in the Audio forum, it is explained why Sirius reception in Toyotas suffers due to the antenna they chose, and what to do about it. Sirius tried to convince Toyota NOT to use the internal antenna, but they were too afraid of the cosmetic issues with the external ones.
As far as XM vs Sirius goes, Sirius has been signing new subscribers vs XM at a rate of 3 to 2. BOTH services are EXCELLENT compared to FM radio, in both reception/signal/audio quality, and content, which is why the debate should not get too heated. XM is simply NOT a much better product, as stated. The services are very close in both content, hardware, and reception.
The future outlook seems to indicate that most headunits and nav units will be equipped for both, and you will get to decide which you want to activate. Provided that both services continue to be viable. So most arguments of which one each car manufacturer picked are fortunately short-lived and temporary.
Which service you prefer is simply a matter of opinion, like vanilla & chocolate.
Jerry
I WILL close this thread if misinformation continues to be spewed all over the place, and it sure is in this case. I have spent years on here trying to control the spread of misinformation on this topic on CL. Just look at some of my posts if you don't believe me. Please keep the derogatory comments, one way or the other, to facts, not hearsay.
Toyota has a deal with XM for factory installs, but will continue to offer the Sirius kit. If you look at my sticky post in the Audio forum, it is explained why Sirius reception in Toyotas suffers due to the antenna they chose, and what to do about it. Sirius tried to convince Toyota NOT to use the internal antenna, but they were too afraid of the cosmetic issues with the external ones.
As far as XM vs Sirius goes, Sirius has been signing new subscribers vs XM at a rate of 3 to 2. BOTH services are EXCELLENT compared to FM radio, in both reception/signal/audio quality, and content, which is why the debate should not get too heated. XM is simply NOT a much better product, as stated. The services are very close in both content, hardware, and reception.
The future outlook seems to indicate that most headunits and nav units will be equipped for both, and you will get to decide which you want to activate. Provided that both services continue to be viable. So most arguments of which one each car manufacturer picked are fortunately short-lived and temporary.
Which service you prefer is simply a matter of opinion, like vanilla & chocolate.
Jerry
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Originally Posted by engin_ear
Lexus is NOT dropping Sirius.
Toyota has a deal with XM for factory installs, but will continue to offer the Sirius kit. If you look at my sticky post in the Audio forum, it is explained why Sirius reception in Toyotas suffers due to
Jerry
Toyota has a deal with XM for factory installs, but will continue to offer the Sirius kit. If you look at my sticky post in the Audio forum, it is explained why Sirius reception in Toyotas suffers due to
Jerry
I didn't notice the conversation about manufacture offerings in the Audio Forum. I saw the sticky about install advice. Can you post a link?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by CVsGX470
Why did you quote me and give such a response? I was talking about overall subscribers to XM vs. Sirus. I wasn't the one that started the, "misinformation." I was just giving my opinion on XM vs. Sirus.
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Most people that have come on CL here have only had experience with Xm or Sirius, and not both. They've heard about the other service from friends, and thus cannot make a real subjective comparison. The same thing happens when people come on here and tell us how sucky Lexuses are. Hey, if they have facts, fine. But most just spew BS. The mods have no tolerance for that.
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Originally Posted by engin_ear
Because some of your posts have opinion-type information that many people will NOT recognize as opinion. It looks like facts, or conclusions based on facts. Because satellite service is so new, this presents a problem, because rumors start quickly. Like I said, if you are going to hammer one service or the other, bring facts, even if they are facts about YOUR experience(s) with them, but please refrain from drawing general conclusions from a limited amount of publically available information. It is extremely easy to draw incorrect conclusions at this point from news reports and press releases, since things change rapidly, and most of these only apply to one fiscal quarter.
Most people that have come on CL here have only had experience with Xm or Sirius, and not both. They've heard about the other service from friends, and thus cannot make a real subjective comparison. The same thing happens when people come on here and tell us how sucky Lexuses are. Hey, if they have facts, fine. But most just spew BS. The mods have no tolerance for that.
Most people that have come on CL here have only had experience with Xm or Sirius, and not both. They've heard about the other service from friends, and thus cannot make a real subjective comparison. The same thing happens when people come on here and tell us how sucky Lexuses are. Hey, if they have facts, fine. But most just spew BS. The mods have no tolerance for that.
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And, based on your avatar, I can see why I am being singled out...thanks for being fair
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I have installed both OEM XM and Sirius tuners,although only Sirius for GX470's.
Lexus isn't dropping Sirius,but they have put the GS300/430,RX350,IS250/350,and ES350 tuner fit kits (wiring harness and hardware) on hold. And that's not hearsay,I'm supposed to install Sirius in every new vehicle I prep. If I don't have the parts to install them I don't get paid
Lexus isn't dropping Sirius,but they have put the GS300/430,RX350,IS250/350,and ES350 tuner fit kits (wiring harness and hardware) on hold. And that's not hearsay,I'm supposed to install Sirius in every new vehicle I prep. If I don't have the parts to install them I don't get paid
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Originally Posted by LexusTech
I have installed both OEM XM and Sirius tuners,although only Sirius for GX470's.
Lexus isn't dropping Sirius,but they have put the GS300/430,RX350,IS250/350,and ES350 tuner fit kits (wiring harness and hardware) on hold. And that's not hearsay,I'm supposed to install Sirius in every new vehicle I prep. If I don't have the parts to install them I don't get paid![Thumb Down](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif)
Lexus isn't dropping Sirius,but they have put the GS300/430,RX350,IS250/350,and ES350 tuner fit kits (wiring harness and hardware) on hold. And that's not hearsay,I'm supposed to install Sirius in every new vehicle I prep. If I don't have the parts to install them I don't get paid
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There is an extensive discussion on this in the RX350 forum. There seems to be a technical problem with the Gen5 Nav compatability:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...4&page=1&pp=15
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