Clunk TSB being cancelled?
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Personally I do not believe the grease ever "fixed" the issue. It was merely a band aid for a design flaw to begin with. It may have worked for you CV but for the majority it did not. You got lucky.
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If the grease is a, "band aid," and the TSB fixes the problem, why do many complain of having the clunk even AFTER the TSB part install is done?
I believe that the grease is just as effective as the parts and Lexus has realized that this design flaw cannot be fixed easily and perfectly.
Personally, I re-grease my GX everytime I do the oil...no problems.
Good Luck to all of you...
CV
#19
I had mine done right away and new parts were installed.
From my 06/13/06 invoice:
J# 2 01LEZCS1 CLIENT STATES THAT: UNITS:3.50TECH(S):14726 WARRANTY
WEIRD FEEL IN DRIVETRAIN,. SLAM FEEL ?
TSIB
DRIVESHAFT BINDING
T1 91 T2 50
1 37110-60A40 SHAFT ASSY. PROPE WARRANTY
1 04006-09160 CONTROL ARM KIT. WARRANTY
The above seems to conclude the driveshaft is binding because of its angle to the rear,its length, or both. The lube supresses the binding clunk feel, but I think this is the cheap way to do it.
I agree that Lexus is losing their back side on this one, and those of you who waited might lose out. If you really want to fix it right, have the above parts installed out of pocket - if there is no other choice. Good luck.
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From my 06/13/06 invoice:
J# 2 01LEZCS1 CLIENT STATES THAT: UNITS:3.50TECH(S):14726 WARRANTY
WEIRD FEEL IN DRIVETRAIN,. SLAM FEEL ?
TSIB
DRIVESHAFT BINDING
T1 91 T2 50
1 37110-60A40 SHAFT ASSY. PROPE WARRANTY
1 04006-09160 CONTROL ARM KIT. WARRANTY
The above seems to conclude the driveshaft is binding because of its angle to the rear,its length, or both. The lube supresses the binding clunk feel, but I think this is the cheap way to do it.
I agree that Lexus is losing their back side on this one, and those of you who waited might lose out. If you really want to fix it right, have the above parts installed out of pocket - if there is no other choice. Good luck.
Lou
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I had mine done right away and new parts were installed.
From my 06/13/06 invoice:
J# 2 01LEZCS1 CLIENT STATES THAT: UNITS:3.50TECH(S):14726 WARRANTY
WEIRD FEEL IN DRIVETRAIN,. SLAM FEEL ?
TSIB
DRIVESHAFT BINDING
T1 91 T2 50
1 37110-60A40 SHAFT ASSY. PROPE WARRANTY
1 04006-09160 CONTROL ARM KIT. WARRANTY
The above seems to conclude the driveshaft is binding because of its angle to the rear,its length, or both. The lube supresses the binding clunk feel, but I think this is the cheap way to do it.
I agree that Lexus is losing their back side on this one, and those of you who waited might lose out. If you really want to fix it right, have the above parts installed out of pocket - if there is no other choice. Good luck.
Lou
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1 37110-6A480 SHAFT ASSY. PROPE WARRANTY
They told me that they were going to drill a hole in it for some reason. Whatever they did, they fixed it. Just get an occasional slight thud.
~ Cap
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CV
#22
Heard back from my SA... They have the driveshaft, but not the control arms... He indicated they are unable to track the arrival date of the control arms because "they are coming from Japan"... So, will continue waiting... at least he didn't mention anything about the TSB being cancelled...
#23
This repair you had done sounds like they drilled and tapped the driveshaft to install another grease fitting. Just another attempt at a band aid fix for the propeller shaft. The proper propeller shaft is 37110-60A40. But this one costs money compared to just adding a grease fitting.
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This repair you had done sounds like they drilled and tapped the driveshaft to install another grease fitting. Just another attempt at a band aid fix for the propeller shaft. The proper propeller shaft is 37110-60A40. But this one costs money compared to just adding a grease fitting.
They may have very well added another grease fitting, but according to the invoice, it clearly shows that a new drive shaft was installed, I'll look for the extra fitting next time I get the truck serviced.
~ Cap
#25
I just repeated what I heard from a Toyota tech who looked at the TSIB on their internal Toyota/Lexus computer.
#26
Grease those zerts
I posted this same issue I had with my 98 4 runner a year back , and to my surprise, greasing the zerts fixed my problem. I just make the effort to pack the zerts every two oil changes. It takes five minutes and the problem may never re-occur as long as these fittings are greased.
If this is a design flaw, it would have been corrected a long time ago? I think Toyota engineers are not idiots and the fact that you will have shaft angles only adds to the equation of complexity.
If this is a design flaw, it would have been corrected a long time ago? I think Toyota engineers are not idiots and the fact that you will have shaft angles only adds to the equation of complexity.
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If you browse through the clunk fix TSIB discussion thread, the vast majority of GX owners who've had the TSIB done have not complained about the clunk coming back. In fact, I don't recall off hand anyone posting on that discussion thread that the clunk has persisted after the TSIB was completed. I would argue that the TSIB has fixed the clunk problem for most GX owners (at least who post on CL), myself included.
#28
Clearly, the problem is bigger than just greasing the joints.
Does anybody know for a fact what's different about the new driveshaft and why the control arms are also necessary?
#29
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I hope this greasing approach is only temporary on Lexus's part until they catch up with production. Greasing the drive shaft is fine but it is not a permanent fix. You know the old saying, if something is not running smooth; just grease the crap out of it.
As far as CV’s GX is concerned, he has a 06. The cluck problem may have been fixed already at the factory depending on his production date. If not, the cluck usually doesn’t show up for 6 - 8 months or so and the grease he packed on would fix the cluck for another 4 - 6 months after that.
Cap, I see you have the new drive shaft but not the control arm, what gives.
I haven’t heard anyone complaining about the cluck after they change the drive shaft and control arms. The new control arms are bigger in diameter, therefore controlling the rear end better. The new drive shaft's spline is supposed to be more taper.
I wonder if Lexus is canceling the TSB because of production issues or cost issues, or maybe they have reason to believe that this tsb is not a permanent fix either. hmmmmmm.
As far as CV’s GX is concerned, he has a 06. The cluck problem may have been fixed already at the factory depending on his production date. If not, the cluck usually doesn’t show up for 6 - 8 months or so and the grease he packed on would fix the cluck for another 4 - 6 months after that.
Cap, I see you have the new drive shaft but not the control arm, what gives.
I haven’t heard anyone complaining about the cluck after they change the drive shaft and control arms. The new control arms are bigger in diameter, therefore controlling the rear end better. The new drive shaft's spline is supposed to be more taper.
I wonder if Lexus is canceling the TSB because of production issues or cost issues, or maybe they have reason to believe that this tsb is not a permanent fix either. hmmmmmm.
Last edited by The G Man; 10-03-06 at 05:54 AM.
#30
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This repair appears to be adding a grease fitting to the propeller shaft slide yoke. In this application, it is a permanent fix.
As many are aware, vehicle manufactures have been trying to get around the "greasing" side of the maintenance. The wheels bearings are sealed, steering knuckles are sealed, the newer double-cardan and U joints are sealed.
Our 1984 FJ60 Landcruiser (4.2 Liter iron block I-6, 4 speed, overdrive) has 13 grease fittings, standard. There are fittings on both front and rear propeller shaft slide yokes. I grease them every six months. This takes ten minutes to do all thirteen chassis fittings, wiping off the excess grease.
Toyota specifies using Lithium base chassis grease (NLGI No. 2) in the propeller shaft slide yoke and the U-joint spiders.
As many are aware, vehicle manufactures have been trying to get around the "greasing" side of the maintenance. The wheels bearings are sealed, steering knuckles are sealed, the newer double-cardan and U joints are sealed.
Our 1984 FJ60 Landcruiser (4.2 Liter iron block I-6, 4 speed, overdrive) has 13 grease fittings, standard. There are fittings on both front and rear propeller shaft slide yokes. I grease them every six months. This takes ten minutes to do all thirteen chassis fittings, wiping off the excess grease.
Toyota specifies using Lithium base chassis grease (NLGI No. 2) in the propeller shaft slide yoke and the U-joint spiders.