GX Reliability
02-23-07, 09:00 PM
#16
Lexus Champion
Actually the Xreas and the KDSS systems are very different in their function. The Xreas is a Dynamic Shock system, and the KDSS is a dynamic Stabilizer system. The Xreas adjusts the amount of shock travel dynamically, and the KDSS allows the constraints of the Torsion Bar to relax which give greater wheel travel at low speeds. The benefit is the KDSS has a super stiff anti-roll feature which removes most body lean in cornering (the shock adjustment is a different feature in the GX).
That is the one example of divergent thinking when you buy a luxury versus utilitarian design. The Lexus line uses that type of feature (among others) to differentiate between the two car companies. Not just the chassis platform. Having about 3 inches more headroom in the GX is something you could NEVER modify into a 4Runner (well, not without gutting the driver seat anyway). To bad the GX does not have 6 way articulation on the Passenger side. But, I guess you have to get rid of the Nav Disc for that to happen.
That is the one example of divergent thinking when you buy a luxury versus utilitarian design. The Lexus line uses that type of feature (among others) to differentiate between the two car companies. Not just the chassis platform. Having about 3 inches more headroom in the GX is something you could NEVER modify into a 4Runner (well, not without gutting the driver seat anyway). To bad the GX does not have 6 way articulation on the Passenger side. But, I guess you have to get rid of the Nav Disc for that to happen.
02-26-07, 07:35 AM
#17
Lexus Test Driver
I disgaree, I think the GX is a better buy considering all the extra features and the quality of the material used. When I was shopping for a SUV last year. It came down to the 4Runner limited and the GX. The GX was 4500 dollars more, I pick the GX becuase of smoother quieter ride and the material used on the GX was far superior compare to the 4Runner.
Since you already have a LX, I can understand why you bought the 4Runner instead of the GX.
Since you already have a LX, I can understand why you bought the 4Runner instead of the GX.
02-26-07, 08:18 AM
#18
Lexus Champion
I disgaree, I think the GX is a better buy considering all the extra features and the quality of the material used. When I was shopping for a SUV last year. It came down to the 4Runner limited and the GX. The GX was 4500 dollars more, I pick the GX becuase of smoother quieter ride and the material used on the GX was far superior compare to the 4Runner.
Since you already have a LX, I can understand why you bought the 4Runner instead of the GX.
Since you already have a LX, I can understand why you bought the 4Runner instead of the GX.
02-26-07, 09:15 AM
#19
I owned 4R SE V8 for two years and traded and got GX with KDSS. The main reason for the switch was better ride, better cornering, better material etc. My 4R interior started showing looseness and didn't like those plastic type of material. On the other hand, my other car ES (with 81K miles), interior still looks like new car, no rattle, no loose joint etc.
As far as handling of 4R with XRES and GX with KDSS, I would say GX is far superior. To go to my house, I need to take an exit from high way which needs sharp turning. I always feel the 'body roll' on 4R and never felt the same with GX. It takes the same turn like my car does!. I purchased this GX fully loaded for $41.5K (2005 model with 12K miles!). We may be able to get GX for 5-10K more with less mile but still with new car smell
. I personnaly feel, it will be a better choice in a long run. 4R SE doesn't come with leather seats, 3rd row seat, KDSS, ML, backup camera, NAV, DVD etc. Considering all these and the better material and workman ship still worth those extra bucks.
As far as handling of 4R with XRES and GX with KDSS, I would say GX is far superior. To go to my house, I need to take an exit from high way which needs sharp turning. I always feel the 'body roll' on 4R and never felt the same with GX. It takes the same turn like my car does!. I purchased this GX fully loaded for $41.5K (2005 model with 12K miles!). We may be able to get GX for 5-10K more with less mile but still with new car smell
. I personnaly feel, it will be a better choice in a long run. 4R SE doesn't come with leather seats, 3rd row seat, KDSS, ML, backup camera, NAV, DVD etc. Considering all these and the better material and workman ship still worth those extra bucks.
02-26-07, 01:07 PM
#20
Lexus Champion
I owned 4R SE V8 for two years and traded and got GX with KDSS. The main reason for the switch was better ride, better cornering, better material etc. My 4R interior started showing looseness and didn't like those plastic type of material. On the other hand, my other car ES (with 81K miles), interior still looks like new car, no rattle, no loose joint etc.
As far as handling of 4R with XRES and GX with KDSS, I would say GX is far superior. To go to my house, I need to take an exit from high way which needs sharp turning. I always feel the 'body roll' on 4R and never felt the same with GX. It takes the same turn like my car does!. I purchased this GX fully loaded for $41.5K (2005 model with 12K miles!). We may be able to get GX for 5-10K more with less mile but still with new car smell. I personnaly feel, it will be a better choice in a long run. 4R SE doesn't come with leather seats, 3rd row seat, KDSS, ML, backup camera, NAV, DVD etc. Considering all these and the better material and workman ship still worth those extra bucks.
As far as handling of 4R with XRES and GX with KDSS, I would say GX is far superior. To go to my house, I need to take an exit from high way which needs sharp turning. I always feel the 'body roll' on 4R and never felt the same with GX. It takes the same turn like my car does!. I purchased this GX fully loaded for $41.5K (2005 model with 12K miles!). We may be able to get GX for 5-10K more with less mile but still with new car smell
. I personnaly feel, it will be a better choice in a long run. 4R SE doesn't come with leather seats, 3rd row seat, KDSS, ML, backup camera, NAV, DVD etc. Considering all these and the better material and workman ship still worth those extra bucks.
02-27-07, 06:00 AM
#21
Lexus Test Driver
Believe it or not, most people who buy the GX doesnt care about handling, If they did, they would get the KDSS. Better material are on the outside as well, better paint job and better head/tail lights. LX470 does have a nice ride, but its not much bigger than the GX and it cost $20000 more. I could not figure out how they charge $20000 for a SUV thats just a little better, however, I can justify the $4000 difference between the 4Runner limited and the GX.
02-27-07, 07:01 AM
#22
Lexus Champion
Believe it or not, most people who buy the GX doesnt care about handling, If they did, they would get the KDSS. Better material are on the outside as well, better paint job and better head/tail lights. LX470 does have a nice ride, but its not much bigger than the GX and it cost $20000 more. I could not figure out how they charge $20000 for a SUV thats just a little better, however, I can justify the $4000 difference between the 4Runner limited and the GX.
I think you need to get under a LX/LC and then get under a GX, also the LX is only a little bigger (dimensions) then the GX but it weighs close to 800 lbs more, that weight is put into heavier build quality. The LC/LX is a purpose built SUV that is used all over the world in the worst off road conditions, it is made to hande the worst. True most owners in the USA will never come close to testing the limits of a LC/LX, but its there. Kind of like comparing a GS to a LS, both our nice vehicles. I've owned a 95 LC, 99 LC, 2004 4runner SE V8 and now the LX470. All quality vehicles its all about what you want in a vehicle. I personally always felt the 4runner was the more rugged sporty version and the GX470 was more of the "RICH" soccer mom version, that could also be based on who I see driving them most of the time?? They are all great vehicles, enjoy what you have.
Last edited by Max707; 02-27-07 at 07:14 AM.
02-27-07, 10:45 AM
#23
Lexus Test Driver
I know the platform difference between the LX and the GX. For most of us who dont go off road, we cannot even come close to testing the limits of the GX, never mine a LX. In my opinion, I think is crazy to take a $70000 vehicle off raod.
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