Looking for a V8 SUV from Lexus
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I would go with GX. Its nice size SUV with serious off road capabilities. It very smooth and quiet ride. As far as towing, I towed my friend BMW M3 for 200 miles without any problem.
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A couple of comments on the LX470 being a tarted up Toyota LandCruiser. First, the GX is a tarted up Prado. Probably less of an issue in the USA where the Prado isn't sold, but it's still a Toyota at heart. Second, there aren't many manufacturers that don't offer tarted up versions these days. It's so easy / lazy for them to add lipstick, some additional features and a new badge to get a premium price. Third, in the case of the LX versus the LandCruiser, the tarting makes for a much nicer vehicle. Better materials, leather, sound deadening, stereo, etc. I wouldn't do the LC, but would love the LX! To each their own...
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If the GX was offered with the Prado's turbo diesel, I'd have been all over that instead of the V8 gas engine. The diesel trades a bit of performance for significantly better mpg and torque. That's the ticket: semi-big Lexus SUV that doesn't get crappy mpg!
P.S. FWIW and since it's not related to the GX directly, let's call this one not worth much. The "leather" err plastic coated leather and pleather on my recently departed '01 Acura CL Type S was terrible, as it repeatedly cracked and peeled on the driver seat seat and back bolsters. By comparison ALL of the leather on my '02 GS430 is still in top, top notch shape! Of course, the MSRPs were dramatically different, but the point I'm attempting to make is that quality leather lasts.
P.S. FWIW and since it's not related to the GX directly, let's call this one not worth much. The "leather" err plastic coated leather and pleather on my recently departed '01 Acura CL Type S was terrible, as it repeatedly cracked and peeled on the driver seat seat and back bolsters. By comparison ALL of the leather on my '02 GS430 is still in top, top notch shape! Of course, the MSRPs were dramatically different, but the point I'm attempting to make is that quality leather lasts.
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a few things concern me about buying a mid-level Lexus. For one, the leather quality. I test drove a GX a few months ago and the leather was peeling away on the seats. The car was only 4 yrs old and the leather was sad. As a previous owner of a top-of-the-line LS430 Ultra, the leather was the best you could find. Semi-aniline and perforated. I have not driven a 2003+ LC or LX, but i would hope that the top-of-the-line SUV has the best leather out there. Anyone care to comment about that?
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Another consideration is the AWD system and the maintenance required - they are not the same between the GX and the LX. The LX requires more maintenance. On the other hand, off-road magazines seem to think the LX has the more capable AWD system, so if you're doing true off-road (like, not dirt road, but no road....) the LX might be better. Not saying the GX isn't good off road - just that there are differences, with more maintenance on the LX.
The main difference between the two off-road is in the way the underbody is designed. The LX underbody is clean...nothing sticks below the frame. Everything is tucked up...keeping important parts away from rocks. In the GX, you have things hanging below the frame (transfer case, crossmembers, fuel tank, etc.). The front suspension design is also different. The LX has torsion bar designed front suspension. The GX has coil springs. Overall, the LX has more suspension flex than GX...equivalent to a GX with KDSS.
Ground clearance is significantly better in the LX due to the fact that the LX470 is an old design. All new SUVs front end must be compatible with a sedan in a crash...therefore, all new SUVs front end is low (butt high stance). Due to this, the GX front end is low...resulting in a ground clearance of only 8.3". (Of course, you can fix this by lifting the front end with aftermarket parts.) The LX ground clearance is around 9.6" (i think from memory).
The GX does hold an advantage in that it is narrower than the LX, which is a good thing off-road.
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How so, the prado has a different engine, it doesn't come with a V8.
Available engines for the prado are the 2.7 L (2693 cc) straight-4 3RZ-FE, 3.4 L (3378 cc) V-6 5VZ-FE and 3.0 L (2982 cc) straight-4 Turbo diesel 1KD-FTV.
And to those who think that the 4runner and the GX are the same because they share the same drivetrain and both made by toyota, I suggest you test drive both of them and you'll know the difference.
Available engines for the prado are the 2.7 L (2693 cc) straight-4 3RZ-FE, 3.4 L (3378 cc) V-6 5VZ-FE and 3.0 L (2982 cc) straight-4 Turbo diesel 1KD-FTV.
And to those who think that the 4runner and the GX are the same because they share the same drivetrain and both made by toyota, I suggest you test drive both of them and you'll know the difference.
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Tigm - it is only the body, but the platform and the drivetrain completely differs, I think you should re look the the differences....I keep flying to far east for my business and the hotel provides me always a Prado V6, absolutely rubbish, transmission sucks, Hate to say it that this is a toyota model, the GX is a Godzilla to these derivatives of these models. Sorry to say I eat and drink Lexus from the last 17 years , GX does any day will run over PRADO. Me and my wife are hell bet fans of LEXUS. ceeyaa
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No, it is the body that is different...platform is the same. Body = shell. Frame/suspension = platform. The frame, suspension are all the same. Yeah, the GX has those fancy electronic shock absorber. The suspension design is the same. I am sure other countries offer other engine choices, but that is not the point. What matters most is the backbone and suspension design...in other words, the PLATFORM. And this is where the 4runner, FJ CRuiser, Prado, and GX470 are all the same. In fact, the previous gen Sequoia and Tacomas can also be considered derivatives of the this platform.
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No, it is the body that is different...platform is the same. Body = shell. Frame/suspension = platform. The frame, suspension are all the same. Yeah, the GX has those fancy electronic shock absorber. The suspension design is the same. I am sure other countries offer other engine choices, but that is not the point. What matters most is the backbone and suspension design...in other words, the PLATFORM. And this is where the 4runner, FJ CRuiser, Prado, and GX470 are all the same. In fact, the previous gen Sequoia and Tacomas can also be considered derivatives of the this platform.
Can't compare Prado, as it does not come with the same drivetrain and probably suspension, but the body design is the same as GX, including the barn door in the back. Also it does come in the short version configuration, which would totally alter vehicle feel.
Sequoia and Tundra (even this gen) can be considered as derivatives of the Land Cruiser platform, not GX/4Runner (you're right on the Tacoma). Well, they are both body on frame design, but Land Cruiser platform was made to carry more weight.
What I'm trying to say, even though there are similarities between the vehicles, they share the same frame, they share the same suspension mount points, but the small differences in suspension components will make the difference in the vehicle feel and handling. Things like springs, shocks, bushings, etc. will directly impact the vehicle feel and in turn your appreciation of the vehicle. It's interesting to note that most people that test drive GX and 4Runner say that GX fells more floaty, softer, where 4Runner feels more rigid and bouncy. I guess it's kind of like SB and DD coffee, they are both made from coffee bean, but they taste and cost differently. It's all in the details and execution.
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