View Poll Results: Does your GX460 Lean?
Yes: Low on the passenger side
106
57.61%
Yes: Low on the driver side
19
10.33%
No, I've measured on a flat grade and it's even
59
32.07%
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KDSS Lean
12-24-18, 05:18 AM
#241
I mean, some issues are annoying but not critical. Others, on the other hand, I deem critical. Maybe I'm wrong - very likely, I will admit, as I don't have any experience with GXs - but I think this one is critical. Don't you agree? I mean, if the vehicle is severely affected it can even be considered a safety issue.
So I rather wait a little. Or buy something else. So many options out there.
It will probably be a Toyota anyways. I have lots of respect for the brand. Had a few Toyotas in my life and never ever had an issue. And they all went above 100k miles. One above 200k miles. (you know that already, but it is worth mentioning anyways).
From sedans to minivans to trucks, my Toyotas were always very reliable. I'm a fan. What I really wanted was a Prado - I prefer the look - but the GX would serve me just as well. A vehicle that I plan to keep for 10 to 15 years.
12-24-18, 07:12 AM
#242
Driver School Candidate
Don't Rule It Out
PPRJ,
Here is my perspective. Only a few months into my GX 460 experience, but my 2013 CPO, with 30,000 miles is one of the most satisfying vehicles I've ever owned. It's comfortable, luxurious, and very off road capable. Cruising almost silently while enjoying the Mark Levinson stereo, I can push the pedal down and enjoy the sound of a V-8 instead of a straining V-6. In my travels throughout various combat hell holes in the world, I have seen tortured, abused, and neglected Land Cruiser Prados chugging along unfazed...and the GX is a Prado, only with added luxury.
Does my KDSS lean? No, but if it did, I would play around with a solution and continue to enjoy a remarkable vehicle. Don't rule it out just yet.
Chuck
Here is my perspective. Only a few months into my GX 460 experience, but my 2013 CPO, with 30,000 miles is one of the most satisfying vehicles I've ever owned. It's comfortable, luxurious, and very off road capable. Cruising almost silently while enjoying the Mark Levinson stereo, I can push the pedal down and enjoy the sound of a V-8 instead of a straining V-6. In my travels throughout various combat hell holes in the world, I have seen tortured, abused, and neglected Land Cruiser Prados chugging along unfazed...and the GX is a Prado, only with added luxury.
Does my KDSS lean? No, but if it did, I would play around with a solution and continue to enjoy a remarkable vehicle. Don't rule it out just yet.
Chuck
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Acrad (12-24-18)
12-24-18, 07:57 AM
#243
PPRJ,
Here is my perspective. Only a few months into my GX 460 experience, but my 2013 CPO, with 30,000 miles is one of the most satisfying vehicles I've ever owned. It's comfortable, luxurious, and very off road capable. Cruising almost silently while enjoying the Mark Levinson stereo, I can push the pedal down and enjoy the sound of a V-8 instead of a straining V-6. In my travels throughout various combat hell holes in the world, I have seen tortured, abused, and neglected Land Cruiser Prados chugging along unfazed...and the GX is a Prado, only with added luxury.
Does my KDSS lean? No, but if it did, I would play around with a solution and continue to enjoy a remarkable vehicle. Don't rule it out just yet.
Chuck
Here is my perspective. Only a few months into my GX 460 experience, but my 2013 CPO, with 30,000 miles is one of the most satisfying vehicles I've ever owned. It's comfortable, luxurious, and very off road capable. Cruising almost silently while enjoying the Mark Levinson stereo, I can push the pedal down and enjoy the sound of a V-8 instead of a straining V-6. In my travels throughout various combat hell holes in the world, I have seen tortured, abused, and neglected Land Cruiser Prados chugging along unfazed...and the GX is a Prado, only with added luxury.
Does my KDSS lean? No, but if it did, I would play around with a solution and continue to enjoy a remarkable vehicle. Don't rule it out just yet.
Chuck
12-24-18, 08:23 AM
#244
its about known vs unknown for me. an older GX has a known list of issues, a new gen who knows? Another potential lean fix would be to just completely close the valves or install caps once its level. Perhaps removing the fluid, or putting in a lighter weight could be tried. I've had 4runners, and I appreciate the v8 in the GX for those times when its really needed.
I got the GX because it was the best for my needs, first being reliability. If you go to look at a used GX you should be able to test drive it and also check out the lean, even have them install a spacer as a condition to purchase.
My opinion is that the lean isn't anything to be concerned about. And if youre ever going to change the suspension or lift it then the lean matters even less. Check for vibe at 65, and look up other common issues to check for.
for reliability, comfort, capability (including parking where a bigger SUV might not fit), features, and resale if you would ever sell it in the next decade, the GX is either the best or in the top 2 or 3 depending on how you personally weigh certain factors.
I got the GX because it was the best for my needs, first being reliability. If you go to look at a used GX you should be able to test drive it and also check out the lean, even have them install a spacer as a condition to purchase.
My opinion is that the lean isn't anything to be concerned about. And if youre ever going to change the suspension or lift it then the lean matters even less. Check for vibe at 65, and look up other common issues to check for.
for reliability, comfort, capability (including parking where a bigger SUV might not fit), features, and resale if you would ever sell it in the next decade, the GX is either the best or in the top 2 or 3 depending on how you personally weigh certain factors.
12-24-18, 09:27 AM
#245
Acrad already posted the fix through the TSB.
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12-24-18, 09:49 AM
#246
I agree, especially with a used GX, as this is something that has a decent chance of being correctable or being a trivial "while parked" issue. If it leans when parked, then of course one should approach with due caution as with any used car. Easy enough to see if it flattens out when driving by having a friend follow during test drive; maybe get permission from owner to let you try spirited cornering towards side of car leaning to see if that corrects it. If lean over 20mm and it uses struts/meets TSB requirement, then a free fix may be available. Otherwise, it could be a lovely basis for negotiating initiative I would think. OTOH, if you have a degree of OCD that would make you fret maybe the GX isn't "The One."
12-24-18, 10:08 AM
#248
12-24-18, 10:25 AM
#249
I'm sorry; I hope this is a small thing. With respect, I recommend rereading the entire thread and noting the other things folks have done to fix or ameliorate with different lean directions and suspension setups and check back if still confident there are no other fixes/not a possible variety of causes.
12-24-18, 10:33 AM
#250
I'm sorry; I hope this is a small thing. With respect, I recommend rereading the entire thread and noting the other things folks have done to fix or ameliorate with different lean directions and suspension setups and check back if still confident there are no other fixes/not a possible variety of causes.
12-24-18, 10:45 AM
#251
That's their fix for a particular situation; that situation does not apply to, for example, trucks that lean the opposite way or use different suspension parts. It does not apply for vehicles leaning, say, less than 20 mm either. But let's just drop this; not worth quibbling.
12-24-18, 10:51 AM
#252
Lexus Champion
2010 and newer GX's have as standard a feature that was previously an option.
The Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System "KDSS" links the front and rear suspensions
hydraulically. No dash lights, no switches or buttons, it is active all the time. Works
very well by transferring cornering forces to other wheels to minimize leaning in turns.
What appears to go wrong is while parked one side will settle more than the other.
Usually limited to an inch or so but does manifest itself as a bit of body lean.
The Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System "KDSS" links the front and rear suspensions
hydraulically. No dash lights, no switches or buttons, it is active all the time. Works
very well by transferring cornering forces to other wheels to minimize leaning in turns.
What appears to go wrong is while parked one side will settle more than the other.
Usually limited to an inch or so but does manifest itself as a bit of body lean.
12-24-18, 11:05 AM
#253
That's their fix for a particular situation; that situation does not apply to, for example, trucks that lean the opposite way or use different suspension parts. It does not apply for vehicles leaning, say, less than 20 mm either. But let's just drop this; not worth quibbling.
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Im4real1 (01-11-19)
02-10-19, 06:57 AM
#254
Another KDSS Lean Question
So I’ve looked at a few 12-13 GX and they’ve all had some issues, some of which I’m ok with and some not. Latest one I saw yesterday checked all the right boxes, but I noticed it was leaning towards passenger side while parked. It was a 13 with under 60k miles and no air suspension. Does the lean correct itself once started up and driving? Im hoping this is the case and not a permanent lean. I’ve dug the archives and have read for hours but can’t find a definitive answer. TIA.
02-10-19, 11:47 AM
#255
Super Moderator
There is the TSB for replacement spring, potentially some kind of spacer, maybe the use of a Timbren on the front right as well in addition to just driving hard into the opposite direction. Mine has never exhibited it...at least noticeable to me and I am pretty OC at times. :-)
Reference for others as I assume you have already read through this thread.
Reference for others as I assume you have already read through this thread.