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Old 01-09-19, 07:54 AM
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My argument is that based on the fact that the US gasoline has 10% ethanol which raises the octane to 89-90 and taking into account for altitude this is enough octane for the manufacturers specifications even if it says regular unleaded. If anyone wants to run higher octane that's fine but it's just not necessary especially at higher altitudes. If you live in a country or part of the US that doesn't have ethanol in the gas then I agree that 87 is a little light on octane unless you are at 5000 feet ASL.
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Originally Posted by Camdog
My argument is that based on the fact that the US gasoline has 10% ethanol which raises the octane to 89-90 and taking into account for altitude this is enough octane for the manufacturers specifications even if it says regular unleaded. If anyone wants to run higher octane that's fine but it's just not necessary especially at higher altitudes. If you live in a country or part of the US that doesn't have ethanol in the gas then I agree that 87 is a little light on octane unless you are at 5000 feet ASL.
Fundamentally--and respectfully--I think we both may be arguing for our own different limitations; you for thrift, me for just following the recommendations. I have no way of knowing whether at any given pump, the gas delivered has been blended such that the octane advertised is delivered or--bonus!--that someone didn't just slavishly add the prescribed amount of ethanol and unwittingly increase the octane. Fortunately, I can afford to pay and not worry about it.

So if we were to declare a mutual "win" I am perfectly happy to get back to binging "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
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Camdog, is the octane rating on the pump measured after bending with ethanol? It must be since the ethanol blend is done at the refinery...so you can't add additional increase in octane due to the ethanol additive.

Yes and variation exists in everything including the measurement systems used to measure the octane rating (realize the rating is based on a sample of the "batch". You have no idea what you actually get when it comes out of the pump.
Old 01-10-19, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Statman
Camdog, is the octane rating on the pump measured after bending with ethanol? It must be since the ethanol blend is done at the refinery...so you can't add additional increase in octane due to the ethanol additive.

Yes and variation exists in everything including the measurement systems used to measure the octane rating (realize the rating is based on a sample of the "batch". You have no idea what you actually get when it comes out of the pump.
Pretty sure you are correct on the first part. There is no way they are going to test and rate it before it becomes the final product.

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Most pumps read a "minimum" octane of 87 and "up to 10%" ethanol. My guess is most of the 87 grade at the pump is higher than 87. It is blended but I would imagine they are starting with 87 before the blend.
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Originally Posted by Camdog
Most pumps read a "minimum" octane of 87 and "up to 10%" ethanol. My guess is most of the 87 grade at the pump is higher than 87. It is blended but I would imagine they are starting with 87 before the blend.
Of course you have 0 data to support your "imagination", but carry on with your opinions. The cost of ethanol being what it is, they likely use as little as possible to meet the minimum requirements.
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And your data to support you "imagination" is where? Ethanol is being subsidized by the government to encourage corn farming in the US. If they had their way we their would be more not less in the fuel you buy. Problem is ethanol has taken a beating by consumers who complain about the lower MPG it causes as well as the destruction it plays on carbureted equipment.
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Originally Posted by Camdog
And your data to support you "imagination" is where? Ethanol is being subsidized by the government to encourage corn farming in the US. If they had their way we their would be more not less in the fuel you buy. Problem is ethanol has taken a beating by consumers who complain about the lower MPG it causes as well as the destruction it plays on carbureted equipment.
Wow, you can't help yourself can you...Here you go:

http://ethanol.nebraska.gov/wordpres...hanol-2016.pdf
https://ethanolrfa.org/wp-content/up...tane-Fuels.pdf
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I notice '10-'16 brochures have 15/20/17 MPG listed (CTY/HWY/Combined). I've experienced 20-21MPG on HWY so it is possible.

Then the '17+ brochures state 15/18/16.
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Old 03-16-19, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Acrad35751
I notice '10-'16 brochures have 15/20/17 MPG listed (CTY/HWY/Combined). I've experienced 20-21MPG on HWY so it is possible.

Then the '17+ brochures state 15/18/16.
I believe that was update because of EPA testing changes not necessarily changes to the GX. I’ve been able to achieve 20-21 on the highway in my ‘18. I hover around 16 Combined.
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In my normal 30/70 (city/hwy) driving I never get below 18 MPG myself. I've been running Pedal Commander in ECO mode all the time.
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Originally Posted by Acrad35751
In my normal 30/70 (city/hwy) driving I never get below 18 MPG myself. I've been running Pedal Commander in ECO mode all the time.
that’s a noticeable difference. I’ll look into the pedal commander in the next round of ebay sales
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Old 03-16-19, 01:23 PM
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That is really good. I’m getting around high 15-16 with Sport -1 or -2. I’m doing around 40/60.
Originally Posted by Acrad35751
In my normal 30/70 (city/hwy) driving I never get below 18 MPG myself. I've been running Pedal Commander in ECO mode all the time.
Old 03-16-19, 01:45 PM
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Not all may handle this PC setting but I am fine with it... if I need my performance fix (and slow by modern standards) I get in my old '07 G35x (0-60@5.4/14.1 sec 1/4@100MPH)
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new here - my 19 GX only has 450 miles on it but I see 18 mpg on the gauge most of the time, really not much worse than the 17 4Runner I traded it for.


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