LX 570 more reliable than GX 460?
10-28-22, 05:36 PM
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I would also guess the LX/Land cruiser's get used harder than the GX. It has aftermarket off road mods readily available, and like the 4 Runner is probably used in that capacity more. Where the GX is probably used as soccer mom grocery getter .It probably does more towing duties etc.
If I remember right the new Land cruiser has the air ride suspension just like the LX.
If I remember right the new Land cruiser has the air ride suspension just like the LX.
10-29-22, 12:32 AM
#18
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However, no experience on GX air suspension as both of these have standard suspension. Per my Lexus Tech, air suspension is pretty robust for GX and not as expensive as LS air suspension. I was looking for Lux version last year but ended up buying BL edition as l like the Green color.
Mine 2011 LS 460 air suspension was replaced last year before I sold that vehicle. Vehicle has around 145k miles. It was around 7k to replace all four, but thanks to Lexus warranty, it was covered 100%.
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10-29-22, 07:24 AM
#19
Never air suspension on any LX
Interesting, so they switched from an air suspension to hydraulic. Well the point still stands it's WAY more complex than simple steel coils. I know I wouldn't want to deal with a service issue on it down the road.
It looks like on the Land Cruiser, the front is now steel coils and the rear is air bags. So the two have a different suspension with the Lexus being more complex.
I guess if you drop $100k on a car, you don't really care about this stuff. But it would make me nervous on a car outside of a warranty.
On my old GX the air suspension went out on a road trip, it was not fun.
I have a relative with a Mercedes S class and the front air suspension went out, it was like $6,000 for just the front.
It looks like on the Land Cruiser, the front is now steel coils and the rear is air bags. So the two have a different suspension with the Lexus being more complex.
I guess if you drop $100k on a car, you don't really care about this stuff. But it would make me nervous on a car outside of a warranty.
On my old GX the air suspension went out on a road trip, it was not fun.
I have a relative with a Mercedes S class and the front air suspension went out, it was like $6,000 for just the front.
the only consideration one should have about LX vs LC or GX for that matter Re suspension, is are you OK with factory or do you need to have aftermarket suspension. If aftermarket is essential, the LX with its active suspension will be more complicated.
10-30-22, 10:47 AM
#20
First I never drove or owned LX before, so my comment is sort of logical guesswork.
If everything else being equal, I am inclined to say LX will not be more reliable than GX for 3 reasons:
1. LX is produced at a low volume factory for top line Lexus cars like LC. GX is produced at famed Tahara factory which also produces 4Runner. I would guess Tahara QC is gold standard across all Toyota factories.
2. LX has more advanced and complex components vs GX (hence potential breaks). This is not related to Lexus but for all systems we human produce.
3. Mindset behind top line cars of each luxury make is performance and cool features. Reliability is probably not focus of the manufacturer including Lexus for this targeted market.
If everything else being equal, I am inclined to say LX will not be more reliable than GX for 3 reasons:
1. LX is produced at a low volume factory for top line Lexus cars like LC. GX is produced at famed Tahara factory which also produces 4Runner. I would guess Tahara QC is gold standard across all Toyota factories.
2. LX has more advanced and complex components vs GX (hence potential breaks). This is not related to Lexus but for all systems we human produce.
3. Mindset behind top line cars of each luxury make is performance and cool features. Reliability is probably not focus of the manufacturer including Lexus for this targeted market.
Last edited by william489; 10-30-22 at 10:58 AM.
10-30-22, 12:22 PM
#21
First I never drove or owned LX before, so my comment is sort of logical guesswork.
If everything else being equal, I am inclined to say LX will not be more reliable than GX for 3 reasons:
1. LX is produced at a low volume factory for top line Lexus cars like LC. GX is produced at famed Tahara factory which also produces 4Runner. I would guess Tahara QC is gold standard across all Toyota factories.
2. LX has more advanced and complex components vs GX (hence potential breaks). This is not related to Lexus but for all systems we human produce.
3. Mindset behind top line cars of each luxury make is performance and cool features. Reliability is probably not focus of the manufacturer including Lexus for this targeted market.
If everything else being equal, I am inclined to say LX will not be more reliable than GX for 3 reasons:
1. LX is produced at a low volume factory for top line Lexus cars like LC. GX is produced at famed Tahara factory which also produces 4Runner. I would guess Tahara QC is gold standard across all Toyota factories.
2. LX has more advanced and complex components vs GX (hence potential breaks). This is not related to Lexus but for all systems we human produce.
3. Mindset behind top line cars of each luxury make is performance and cool features. Reliability is probably not focus of the manufacturer including Lexus for this targeted market.
LX and GX and LC are produced at same manufacture in Japan.
LX(LC) are not necessary the “low volume” as you might think. In fact, other than North American market, LX(LC) exceeds GX in volume. Besides, just because of volume and more complex does not mean lower in quality or reliability. In fact, all LC family vehicles has been on top of the list in terms of liability for long history.
Personally speaking, I don’t really see difference between LX and GX.
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10-30-22, 01:19 PM
#22
Couple of corrections:
LX and GX and LC are produced at same manufacture in Japan.
LX(LC) are not necessary the “low volume” as you might think. In fact, other than North American market, LX(LC) exceeds GX in volume. Besides, just because of volume and more complex does not mean lower in quality or reliability. In fact, all LC family vehicles has been on top of the list in terms of liability for long history.
Personally speaking, I don’t really see difference between LX and GX.
LX and GX and LC are produced at same manufacture in Japan.
LX(LC) are not necessary the “low volume” as you might think. In fact, other than North American market, LX(LC) exceeds GX in volume. Besides, just because of volume and more complex does not mean lower in quality or reliability. In fact, all LC family vehicles has been on top of the list in terms of liability for long history.
Personally speaking, I don’t really see difference between LX and GX.
It seems to me LX, GX and LC500 are made at different factories per wiki (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...yota_factories)
Sorry for the confusion I mean LC500 the race car, not land cruiser. David likes tahara plant lot and motomachi plant has most experts and build low volume models.
Last edited by william489; 10-30-22 at 01:25 PM.
10-30-22, 08:36 PM
#23
First I never drove or owned LX before, so my comment is sort of logical guesswork.
If everything else being equal, I am inclined to say LX will not be more reliable than GX for 3 reasons:
1. LX is produced at a low volume factory for top line Lexus cars like LC. GX is produced at famed Tahara factory which also produces 4Runner. I would guess Tahara QC is gold standard across all Toyota factories.
2. LX has more advanced and complex components vs GX (hence potential breaks). This is not related to Lexus but for all systems we human produce.
3. Mindset behind top line cars of each luxury make is performance and cool features. Reliability is probably not focus of the manufacturer including Lexus for this targeted market.
If everything else being equal, I am inclined to say LX will not be more reliable than GX for 3 reasons:
1. LX is produced at a low volume factory for top line Lexus cars like LC. GX is produced at famed Tahara factory which also produces 4Runner. I would guess Tahara QC is gold standard across all Toyota factories.
2. LX has more advanced and complex components vs GX (hence potential breaks). This is not related to Lexus but for all systems we human produce.
3. Mindset behind top line cars of each luxury make is performance and cool features. Reliability is probably not focus of the manufacturer including Lexus for this targeted market.
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10-30-22, 09:53 PM
#24
LX and Land cruisers (80, 100, 200, 300 series) are designed and manufactured to a very high standard, 20 year useful life. The level of robustness and quality exceeds all other Toyota platforms. Just because some of the systems are “more complicated”, it is no less reliable than a GX. In fact, it has been designed and manufactured to standards that exceed the 120, 150 LCs/GXs.
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10-31-22, 08:41 PM
#25
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11-01-22, 06:42 AM
#26
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I've had both an LX and a GX, and something else to consider is even if we assume reliability will be the same, parts prices on LXs are quite a bit higher due to their lower production numbers.
06-21-24, 11:22 PM
#27
All of these systems go out eventually, it's just the nature of the beast. Even with car companies like Toyota/Lexus that have great quality control, my GX air suspension went out at like 80k miles. If you look at the forums, it's full of stories of the same thing.
I also own a Lexus LS430, and the Ultra has air ride, it's also a familiar story that costs around $6,000 to fix. Maybe hydraulic systems are more rugged, but my bet is they also will have issues with things like the rubber bladders and pump system eventually going out.
It will likely be far outside of the factory warranty, but all things being equal, steel springs can last a lot longer. Usually the only thing that takes out steel springs is heavy corrosion.
I also own a Lexus LS430, and the Ultra has air ride, it's also a familiar story that costs around $6,000 to fix. Maybe hydraulic systems are more rugged, but my bet is they also will have issues with things like the rubber bladders and pump system eventually going out.
It will likely be far outside of the factory warranty, but all things being equal, steel springs can last a lot longer. Usually the only thing that takes out steel springs is heavy corrosion.
06-22-24, 07:02 AM
#28
you are 100% correct. fortunately my 2019 GX 460 premium doesn't have air suspension I guess? because I heard only the luxury GX 460 has it which can adjust the height of the rear. currently in shopping for a 2021 LX 570 and I am also aware of how expensive it is to fix the hydraulic suspension on LX 570. I heard it is 10 grands to fix it at a Lexus dealer.
06-22-24, 08:25 AM
#29
maybe you can delete that system. but after markets parts are not as good as original Land cruiser parts. because the original suspension is exclusively built, overbuilt and specific to it. and whoever replace and install it must know what they are doing. when you do modifications, you rip off the original control arm and top control arm and now you have aftermarkets stuff and it's going to fall apart at a rate you would not believe. just be very careful with it. it's an idea but don't know about the labor cost and the consequences.
06-22-24, 09:12 AM
#30
Maybe the confusion is in what is meant by reliable. If by reliable we mean there is exceedingly low probability that any subsystem will fail, then if we are honest I am not sure that the GX meets that definition (C'mon, be honest, its not like radiator and/or water pump failure, valley plate and/or timing cover leaks are THAT rare and each of those leaks will be multiple 4 figures to address).
But if we mean 1) fewer failures than other options in the market AND 2) that those failures have exceedingly low probability of being catastrophic (as long as you are paying attention) - such that any cost to repair will almost surely be much less than the market value of the car/truck AND that after the repair another major failure in the near future will still be unlikely, due to part 1, then I think the GX is very reliable. I imagine that this is also true of the LX. It MAY be that they both the LX and GX suffer from similar rates of failure but the LX is worth so much more, that even at an extended age it will almost always be a obvious decision to just pay for the repair.
Maybe the subtext of the question is which has a lower cost to own/maintain? I could see them being similar, and in that case the cost of ownership relative to the market value of the vehicle would be lower for the LX- but of course I also know that I really have no idea
, but that is how I would think about it.
But if we mean 1) fewer failures than other options in the market AND 2) that those failures have exceedingly low probability of being catastrophic (as long as you are paying attention) - such that any cost to repair will almost surely be much less than the market value of the car/truck AND that after the repair another major failure in the near future will still be unlikely, due to part 1, then I think the GX is very reliable. I imagine that this is also true of the LX. It MAY be that they both the LX and GX suffer from similar rates of failure but the LX is worth so much more, that even at an extended age it will almost always be a obvious decision to just pay for the repair.
Maybe the subtext of the question is which has a lower cost to own/maintain? I could see them being similar, and in that case the cost of ownership relative to the market value of the vehicle would be lower for the LX- but of course I also know that I really have no idea
, but that is how I would think about it.