GX - 2nd Gen (2010-2023) Discussion topics related to the 2010 + GX460 models
View Poll Results: Crawl / MTS - model year/trim upgrade survey
2010 - Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2010 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
0.81%
2010 - Premium - Added Crawl
0.81%
2010 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
1.63%
2010 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
3.25%
2011 - Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2011 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
4.07%
2011 - Premium - Added Crawl
1.63%
2011 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
2.44%
2011 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
0
0%
2012 - Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2012 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.44%
2012 - Premium - Added Crawl
0.81%
2012 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
4.88%
2012 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
0
0%
2013 - Base - Added Crawl
0.81%
2013 - Base - Added Crawl/MTS
4.07%
2013 - Premium - Added Crawl
0.81%
2013 - Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
5.69%
2013 - Premium (stock Crawl) - Added MTS
1.63%
2014 Base - Added Crawl
0
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2014 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
3.25%
2014 Premium - Added Crawl
0.81%
2014 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
4.07%
2014 Luxury - Added Crawl
0.81%
2014 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
3.25%
2014 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
4.88%
2015 Base - Added Crawl
0
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2015 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
2.44%
2015 Premium - Added Crawl
0
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2015 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
1.63%
2015 Luxury - Added Crawl
0.81%
2015 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0.81%
2015 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
0.81%
2016 Base - Added Crawl
0
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2016 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
4.07%
2016 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2016 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
4.07%
2016 Luxury - Added Crawl
1.63%
2016 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0.81%
2016 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
0.81%
2017 Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2017 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
3.25%
2017 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2017 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
2.44%
2017 Luxury - Added Crawl
0.81%
2017 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2017 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
7.32%
2018 Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2018 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
0.81%
2018 Premium - Added Crawl
0.81%
2018 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
4.07%
2018 Luxury - Added Crawl
0
0%
2018 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0.81%
2018 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
0.81%
2019 Base - Added Crawl
0
0%
2019 Base - Added Crawl/MTS
0.81%
2019 Premium - Added Crawl
0
0%
2019 Premium - Added Crawl/MTS
4.88%
2019 Luxury - Added Crawl
0
0%
2019 Luxury - Added Crawl/MTS
0
0%
2019 Luxury (stock Crawl)- Added MTS
2.44%
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MOD: Crawl Control (CC) and Multi Terrain Select (MTS)

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Old 06-21-21, 01:35 PM
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With no codes presented it is anyones guess.

- You could try power cycling the suspension ECU under the dash

- If you are noticing height differences this could be KDSS lean as well

- What are your tires running at? When was the last time you checked and noticeable difference in temperature between the work you did on vehicle and road test

- All those active Techstream tests listed above are supposed to confirm that system is working properly and within spec

- Only thing I have seen is the ECU registration process which I think you already did above... this just registers the ECU and I don't see any documented calibration info


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Originally Posted by Acrad
With no codes presented it is anyones guess.

- You could try power cycling the suspension ECU under the dash would battery disconnect and connect work?

- If you are noticing height differences this could be KDSS lean as well

- What are your tires running at? When was the last time you checked and noticeable difference in temperature between the work you did on vehicle and road test

- All those active Techstream tests listed above are supposed to confirm that system is working properly and within spec

- Only thing I have seen is the ECU registration process which I think you already did above... this just registers the ECU and I don't see any documented calibration info
I removed old controls with the new crawl control module while the engine was running. since we needed to keep the vehicle in neutral or drive mode to remove them. I hope that was ok.
I felt this ride quality difference after this.
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Sorry.. I can't think of anything else

Part of the Techstream active tests listed above allow you to test the switches as well.

... unless you have a defective switch that is maintaining a contact the suspension related switches are momentary so a switch swap in regards to AVS or RAHC switching shouldn't make a difference.

Did you ever test to see if ON/OFF for RAHC worked? It cancels above speed but no idea if button held in would create an issue.

With Techstream you could see if AVS switch was correctly registering between Sport, Comfort and Normal as well.




I can't say on swapping that live with engine running. No one has reported trying to do that before.





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Update:

I used techstream to see the datalist. All are looking good. no fault diagnostic code. only thing i have doubt is when i clicked hi lo height mode off, I do not see any changes. but i can see in driver dash. any way that switch works only when the car is stationary.

TS records all the modes i changed. my tire pressure is 33 psi. I will now call it as a successful installation.
: to double check, I let my wife drive the car. And she certified that she did not see any difference. So I am good
Thanks Acrad for your immediate responses and knowledge base.
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Good to hear.

I think on that On/Off suspension switch.. I'd call it good if it is showing up with OFF on suspension indicator on dash and you can toggle it on & off.
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i have sold my GX and trying to unload my crawl switch (84970-60070) and it looks like the price has almost doubled since this thread was started. are you all seeing the same pricing?
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Originally Posted by ltsr
i have sold my GX and trying to unload my crawl switch (84970-60070) and it looks like the price has almost doubled since this thread was started. are you all seeing the same pricing?
oh how much it is right now.
Old 06-23-21, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SamLexRXGX
oh how much it is right now.
Disregard, it looks like lexuspartsnow.com and oemvehicleparts.com has it for $350+ but carmarka still sells it for ~$200.

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I see plenty of P/N 859A1-60031 and 859A1-00630 for sale on ebay for a lot less $, I don't imagine these can be made to work for the 460?
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30 & 31 are just the stock modules in 14-19 models without MTS.

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A few 200 series crawl control use videos in sand

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Any 2020-2021 Luxury owners without "Off-Road" package open to some vehicle experimentation?

• 22 owners... need to confirm '20-'21 first. PNs still aren't clear for the dash as of 1.30.22.


•••This is all at your own risk and potentially could require even more work, parts, and money.

Vlad at post #403 bought the switch for his '21 Luxury and like eNx (here at ClubLexus) discovered it didn't work either but wiring is there.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/460.../post-14032370

It really points to the Skid Control ECU as the next replacement step. At this point it will be easier to determine if this can be done on a Luxury because all of the wiring is apparently there. We can look at other trims once this config is confirmed.

Long story short I submitted two VINs for skid control ECUs to Bell Lexus

One for a '21 Premium and the other for a '21 Luxury with off-road package

Premium takes - 47217-60760

Luxury w/off-road package takes- 47217-60690

There are not any in US but perhaps Canada has some?

47217-60690 is a $1k ECU
https://www.oemvehicleparts.com/oem-...ule-4721760690





One would also want to pick up that crawl control switch for 20-21 models

PN: 84970-60450

https://www.oemvehicleparts.com/oem-...ion-8497060450

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Apparently you can't even order this PN right now - 84970-60450

Order will be cancelled once availability is established
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Originally Posted by Acrad
Any 2020-2021 Luxury owners without "Off-Road" package open to some vehicle experimentation?

•••This is all at your own risk and potentially could require even more work, parts, and money.

Vlad at post #403 bought the switch for his '21 Luxury and like eNx (here at ClubLexus) discovered it didn't work either but wiring is there.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/460.../post-14032370

It really points to the Skid Control ECU as the next replacement step. At this point it will be easier to determine if this can be done on a Luxury because all of the wiring is apparently there. We can look at other trims once this config is confirmed.

Long story short I submitted two VINs for skid control ECUs to Bell Lexus

One for a '21 Premium and the other for a '21 Luxury with off-road package

Premium takes - 47217-60760

Luxury w/off-road package takes- 47217-60690

There are not any in US but perhaps Canada has some?

47217-60690 is a $1k ECU
https://www.oemvehicleparts.com/oem-...ule-4721760690





One would also want to pick up that crawl control switch for 20-21 models

PN: 84970-60450

https://www.oemvehicleparts.com/oem-...ion-8497060450

There were also multiple skid ECU part numbers on the older GX460s but ultimately all of them supported the crawl control functionality even though they were listed as having that feature. I have a feeling this is the same for the 20-21.
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It would have to be something further upstream if this ECU swap is not key. MTS ECU disappeared after ‘19. 20-21 FSMs all point diagnostic failure to skid control ECU if system malfunctions.



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