GX engine
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GX engine
I am considering a GX460 over the LX570. This is mostly due to cost and overall size. What is the difference in the LS460 engine and the GX460. Why does it have almost 80hp less? Is the addition 15k worth spending and getting the base LX or is the GX something that will satisfy the rigors of everyday driving and occasional camping trips. Is this vehiclr based on the 4runner? Thanks in advance.
Last edited by Blkgto; 05-31-18 at 05:51 PM.
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What is the difference in the LS460 engine and the GX460. Why does it have almost 80hp less?
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LS460 engine (1UR-FSE) has direct injection and the 1UR-FE in GX 460 does not.
Thinking of a Fire Agate Pearl? I have a '12 in that color with black interior... I think the rarest of GX 460 colors. Looks like black interior wasn't an option on '14+ in FAP.
Based on Land Cruiser Prado 150 series
Thinking of a Fire Agate Pearl? I have a '12 in that color with black interior... I think the rarest of GX 460 colors. Looks like black interior wasn't an option on '14+ in FAP.
Based on Land Cruiser Prado 150 series
Last edited by Acrad; 05-31-18 at 07:39 PM.
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LS460 engine (1UR-FSE) has direct injection and the 1UR-FE in GX 460 does not.
Thinking of a Fire Agate Pearl? I have a '12 in that color with black interior... I think the rarest of GX 460 colors. Looks like black interior wasn't an option on '14+ in FAP.
Based on Land Cruiser Prado 150 series
Thinking of a Fire Agate Pearl? I have a '12 in that color with black interior... I think the rarest of GX 460 colors. Looks like black interior wasn't an option on '14+ in FAP.
Based on Land Cruiser Prado 150 series
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I'm actually really pleased with the smooth ride and low noise levels... looking at the one you posted that appears to be a Luxury model so has the adjustable suspension like mine. I can tell a difference between Sport, Normal and Comfort. I am pretty sure Normal is what the suspension setting is like for GX's without the adjustable suspension. There are few owners here who have both LX 570 and GX 460s so hopefully they will chime in for comparison. I've only ever sat in a LX 570 and haven't driven one.
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Blkgto (05-31-18)
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So, you are comparing the 2-row LX570 with a Lux GX460? Do you EVER need the 3rd row (I used it about 3 times in the last 4 years). They both have about $4k-$5K rebate (plus the dealer discount). When the ONLY option is $30k separating the two, the decision is easier (buy the GX and save $30k). it is much harder since it's only $15K. They both would do almost everything you want it too and last 200-300k miles.
I DO like the LX - great engine, 8-speed (plus & minus), Love the massive Navi, love the front-end LEDs, much roomier, lots more woods, big wheels (plus & minus).
@hzhao has both so he can tell all about the good, the bad, and the ugly of both.
I DO like the LX - great engine, 8-speed (plus & minus), Love the massive Navi, love the front-end LEDs, much roomier, lots more woods, big wheels (plus & minus).
@hzhao has both so he can tell all about the good, the bad, and the ugly of both.
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Blkgto (06-02-18)
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When we shopped for our current GX late last year, we also looked at the LX. My wife and I both loved the interior of the LX, especially the red interior, and the abundant standard features that aren't found on the GX. However, it's a much bigger SUV than the GX. My wife had a really hard time driving it in and out of tight spaces, whereas the GX feels more agile and nimble. The GX also has plenty of room inside as well. If we were only to drive it for long road trips, then the LX would definitely be our pick. Hzhao owns both the LX and GX, he can tell you more from his own experience.
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So, you are comparing the 2-row LX570 with a Lux GX460? Do you EVER need the 3rd row (I used it about 3 times in the last 4 years). They both have about $4k-$5K rebate (plus the dealer discount). When the ONLY option is $30k separating the two, the decision is easier (buy the GX and save $30k). it is much harder since it's only $15K. They both would do almost everything you want it too and last 200-300k miles.
I DO like the LX - great engine, 8-speed (plus & minus), Love the massive Navi, love the front-end LEDs, much roomier, lots more woods, big wheels (plus & minus).
@hzhao has both so he can tell all about the good, the bad, and the ugly of both.
I DO like the LX - great engine, 8-speed (plus & minus), Love the massive Navi, love the front-end LEDs, much roomier, lots more woods, big wheels (plus & minus).
@hzhao has both so he can tell all about the good, the bad, and the ugly of both.
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I'm in the market for a GX as well. And for the longest I was contemplating between the LX and the GX.
From the outside, they "looked" almost identical just by looking at them side by side. But when I drove the LX it felt much bigger. It definitely felt like driving a full size truck. Interior, the LX gains about a foot of space in the cargo and just few inches in the width of the 2nd row. The techs on the LX is nice, but just like rest of my other vehicles, i never use them.
So for me the GX felt more of all around vehicle and as Hzhao mentioned, it felt more oriented towards a daily driver. I probably will end up with a GX in few months, just wish that the cargo space is little bit bigger on the GX.
Also did cross shopping on other 3 row cross over, such as Audi, Volvo, and MDX and GX is a winner in my opinion.
From the outside, they "looked" almost identical just by looking at them side by side. But when I drove the LX it felt much bigger. It definitely felt like driving a full size truck. Interior, the LX gains about a foot of space in the cargo and just few inches in the width of the 2nd row. The techs on the LX is nice, but just like rest of my other vehicles, i never use them.
So for me the GX felt more of all around vehicle and as Hzhao mentioned, it felt more oriented towards a daily driver. I probably will end up with a GX in few months, just wish that the cargo space is little bit bigger on the GX.
Also did cross shopping on other 3 row cross over, such as Audi, Volvo, and MDX and GX is a winner in my opinion.
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Alright, first and foremost thank you everyone for your input. Here is what I was able to do past few day. First up I drove the 4Runner. The ride is composed and tight. They 5 speed transmission feels dated as does the 4.0 V6. At times I could sense a bit of NVH that was a bit more for my taste. The interior was ok, a bit utilitarian and dated. Interior noise was minimal and the ride was smooth and composed for the most part. Next I drove the Jeep Cherokee. It drove well and was composed. Even though the interior looked much better, there was an absence of craftsmanship and small quality nuances. Interior storage compartment doors didnt close as smooth as with little effort. From the appearances looks very well put together. Engine was a 3.6L V6, had plenty of NVH but transmission was 8 speed and much more fluid. BMW X5 was my next test drive. Excellent use of material and craftsmanship is on point. However, the interior noise was too much for the price tag and was not as smooth as I was looking for. It was a lot smaller than the other vehicles I had test drove as well. I am 6 foot 1 and about 290 lbs, most of the time my seat is almost alway scooted back. Last two vehicle I test drove was the Tundra. I was actually shocked at the engine grunt, transmission hunting, and interior noise as well. The chassis was not composed on a poorly maintained road that I took many times in my Tahoe. I actually realized at this point that the American Trucks and SUVs have made tremendous progress in ride quality and cabin noise elimination. I finally fished up with the GX460. My god, this vehicle drove absolutely amazing. The ride quality was smooth, interior noise was quite, and chassis help the road very well. Craftsmanship was on par or better than the BMW. I still cant believe that this is based on the Toyota 4Runner, GX feels in another league. Only one more test drive left and it is the LX570. Ill keep you all posted on my thoughts, and what I decide on buying. Thanks again for the input again.
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Just for point of reference. I drive a 2009 ls460, silky smooth, powerful ,and quite. I have also had numerous Tahoe and GM trucks of the higher trims varieties.
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Alright, first and foremost thank you everyone for your input. Here is what I was able to do past few day. First up I drove the 4Runner. The ride is composed and tight. They 5 speed transmission feels dated as does the 4.0 V6. At times I could sense a bit of NVH that was a bit more for my taste. The interior was ok, a bit utilitarian and dated. Interior noise was minimal and the ride was smooth and composed for the most part. Next I drove the Jeep Cherokee. It drove well and was composed. Even though the interior looked much better, there was an absence of craftsmanship and small quality nuances. Interior storage compartment doors didnt close as smooth as with little effort. From the appearances looks very well put together. Engine was a 3.6L V6, had plenty of NVH but transmission was 8 speed and much more fluid. BMW X5 was my next test drive. Excellent use of material and craftsmanship is on point. However, the interior noise was too much for the price tag and was not as smooth as I was looking for. It was a lot smaller than the other vehicles I had test drove as well. I am 6 foot 1 and about 290 lbs, most of the time my seat is almost alway scooted back. Last two vehicle I test drove was the Tundra. I was actually shocked at the engine grunt, transmission hunting, and interior noise as well. The chassis was not composed on a poorly maintained road that I took many times in my Tahoe. I actually realized at this point that the American Trucks and SUVs have made tremendous progress in ride quality and cabin noise elimination. I finally fished up with the GX460. My god, this vehicle drove absolutely amazing. The ride quality was smooth, interior noise was quite, and chassis help the road very well. Craftsmanship was on par or better than the BMW. I still cant believe that this is based on the Toyota 4Runner, GX feels in another league. Only one more test drive left and it is the LX570. Ill keep you all posted on my thoughts, and what I decide on buying. Thanks again for the input again.
The smooth ride quality is a really good off road suspension system. It also happens to excel in on road manors. The more time you spend behind the wheel the better it gets. We’ve had our 460 for about a year now and it’s been a great vehicle.
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The GX460 is not based on the 4 runner. It does not share any similarities. It is based on the Toyota Landcruiser Parado 150 platform sold overseas. For those that do not know the Landcruisers are designed and engineered differently. Toyota has a special engineering division that designs the landcruiser models. They go way above and beyond the typical Toyota models and are far superior than the majority of their competitors off road vehicles. When you purchase a landcruiser vehicle you are getting more than just some AWD based SUV.
The smooth ride quality is a really good off road suspension system. It also happens to excel in on road manors. The more time you spend behind the wheel the better it gets. We’ve had our 460 for about a year now and it’s been a great vehicle.
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Alex on Auto said in his '14-'15 review of GX 460
4R to GX - cousins
GX to LC Prado - brothers with different mothers
Just my opinion :-)
More than likely an endless debate... '80s GM where literally same car different badge we don't have here
I'm of the opinion different vehicles even if frame and drivetrain are very similar or identical in many respects. The heavy body and panels on top of that frame are substantially different even if many of internal components are interchangeable.
EDIT: It would be interesting to know even though both vehicles are both made at Tahara plant does the GX get more stringent quality control inspections than a 4R?
4R to GX - cousins
GX to LC Prado - brothers with different mothers
Just my opinion :-)
More than likely an endless debate... '80s GM where literally same car different badge we don't have here
I'm of the opinion different vehicles even if frame and drivetrain are very similar or identical in many respects. The heavy body and panels on top of that frame are substantially different even if many of internal components are interchangeable.
EDIT: It would be interesting to know even though both vehicles are both made at Tahara plant does the GX get more stringent quality control inspections than a 4R?
Last edited by Acrad; 06-15-18 at 12:58 PM.