Mojlnir

The 2nd row buckets do not. No experience with the bench.

Trailers are your friends.

SeaTac1

Just research at this point. This vehicle has the Levinson system BSM RCTA. But those are the features I want. Intuitive cruise and other features I would have to research. Today I am going to sit in and drive it....thats about all.

SeaTac1

That may be a deal breaker.

Mojlnir

I understand completely. Multi-use vehicles just have never worked for me - hence the fleet of 3 trucks, a car, and the GX (all of which have trailer hitches).

Everyone's situation is different.

SeaTac1

Yuppers. I'm going to sit in the IS as well to see if making it a DD and keeping the Runner is a better option....

cb1111

The GX does have a bigger turning radius than the 4R, so you might want to try parking it at a grocery store.

As far as reliability is concerned, it is easily on par with the 4R and perhaps a bit better.

srpuywa

The two vehicles don't even compare - the 4 Runner is more utilitarian (and gutless),the GX is nicer all around. If you want to build a 'mall crawler' and waste your money get a 4Runner. If you want a nice SUV to tale on road trips get a GX

clearmysix

The second row does fold almost flat. It just has a slight up slope.

If you want all the safety features the 2020 GX is guaranteed to have it at all trim levels. Searching for a Diamond in the rough 2017 GX with older versions of those safety features may not save you all that much time and money. You have a lot more negotiating ability on a new car where there are similar models at multiple dealers.

I understand your desire for these safety features. I was able to retrofit ACC and Pre Collision in my 2011 GX460.

SeaTac1

Just returned from the Lexus dealer. Maybe the newer GX is more ergonomically appointed. This 2016 would have not work for me. Screen is down and to the right controls feel like they are down and forces me to take my eyes off the road. Lovely vehicle but the NX's translation of all controls and screen to basically eye level is what I was hoping to find.

Wife and dealer rep were surprised that I didn't care for it....I was disappointed.

coolsaber

MY16 and MY20 are the same...

cb1111

Yep. Aside from minor button position changes they all look alike. How about a RX?

SeaTac1

I'm looking at keeping the 4Runner. I really am comfortable with my "beast". Researching 2016 Genesis for a new DD. Wife used to have a 2009. the 3.8V6 AWD has all the safety items I want and the CPO warranty looks solid.

Don't get me wrong. If my wife had the choice she would have purchased the GX in a heartbeat. It's a beautiful vehicle.

cb1111

What's wrong with the NX as a DD?

SeaTac1

Its her car=)

GoHuskers

...then buy her the GX, perhaps the refreshed one.