Are newer GXs as reliable as older ones?
12-15-22, 10:54 AM
#16
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The design has not greatly changed and small improvements were put in, so I expect it as reliable if not more. There are noticeable cutting corners in Lexus and Toyota products. For an example, the GX470 floor mats feel a lot more durable than the GX460 ones. I weighed LS430 and 2022 LS500 floor mats, and the former almost weigh twice as much as the latter. My 2010 tundra and 2014 Camry floor mats have almost lost all their nibbles on the back, while 2006 LS430 floor mat is still like new.
It sounds like nothing has evidently changed. Only time will tell. I though asking the community in case there were any known culprits.
Even then, data still shows the GX to be very reliable. So I’m at peace on that front. But wondered if the quality is “as good” as before. Maybe yes, maybe not.
12-15-22, 12:58 PM
#17
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I would have no hesitation picking up a 2023 for the long term... that being said my '12 only has 78k miles so don't plan to replace anytime soon
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MrTorgue (12-16-22)
12-15-22, 02:17 PM
#18
I’m getting a 2023 GX (deposit paid). I don’t question if they’re more reliable than a Chevy or a Jeep. I know the GX is the most reliable of them all.
This is strictly a GX vs GX question. I hear how other 10yr old GXs keep going strong. I just wanted to know if the new ones are as good as those 2012 and 2013s used to be.
This is why I asked if Toyota had somehow cut corners over the years.
based on comments, seems they haven’t. The vehicles are still the same. (With the cosmetic changes of course)
This is strictly a GX vs GX question. I hear how other 10yr old GXs keep going strong. I just wanted to know if the new ones are as good as those 2012 and 2013s used to be.
This is why I asked if Toyota had somehow cut corners over the years.
based on comments, seems they haven’t. The vehicles are still the same. (With the cosmetic changes of course)
If my '15 dies today I'll pick up a new '23 in a heart beat. Next year or in 2024 will be a different story since we "might" have a new GX550 and a Refresh LX600
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Acrad (12-15-22)
12-15-22, 02:36 PM
#19
Okay since you want something here are a few:
1) Seats used to be either leather or semi-aniline leather. Now only Lux has Semi-aniline and all others have NuLux- leather isn't even an upgrade option. So if NuLux feels like a downgrade, and you didn't get a Lux, then your 2023 GX is worse.
2) Older have wood bezels around window switches. I believe they are plastic now, at least on the Blackline - so if plastic is worse than wood, then 2023 is worse.
3) Ecru used to get two tone color, with light brown colored hard plastic on bottom of door cards. Now I think all are black regardless. If you got Ecru and would have prefered two tone interior then your 23 is worse.
4) Ecru used to get ecru colored leather pad above glove box, now all are black. Same, your '23 is worse if you got Ecru and wanted it to match the seats.
5) Pre '14 all had power folding 3rd row seats, now just Lux and Prem+ have this. If you didn't get Lux or Prem Plus and wanted electric fold third row, then your '23 is worse.
6) Pre '14 had better approach and departure angles. If you care about approach and departure angles then your '23 GX is much worse.
That is all I can think of. Of course your '23 is better with standard safety systems, Apple Car play, and way way way better headlights.
1) Seats used to be either leather or semi-aniline leather. Now only Lux has Semi-aniline and all others have NuLux- leather isn't even an upgrade option. So if NuLux feels like a downgrade, and you didn't get a Lux, then your 2023 GX is worse.
2) Older have wood bezels around window switches. I believe they are plastic now, at least on the Blackline - so if plastic is worse than wood, then 2023 is worse.
3) Ecru used to get two tone color, with light brown colored hard plastic on bottom of door cards. Now I think all are black regardless. If you got Ecru and would have prefered two tone interior then your 23 is worse.
4) Ecru used to get ecru colored leather pad above glove box, now all are black. Same, your '23 is worse if you got Ecru and wanted it to match the seats.
5) Pre '14 all had power folding 3rd row seats, now just Lux and Prem+ have this. If you didn't get Lux or Prem Plus and wanted electric fold third row, then your '23 is worse.
6) Pre '14 had better approach and departure angles. If you care about approach and departure angles then your '23 GX is much worse.
That is all I can think of. Of course your '23 is better with standard safety systems, Apple Car play, and way way way better headlights.
12-15-22, 02:43 PM
#20
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There was some de-contenting that did occur after 10-13 models for options on base model. 10-13 models in US market only had two trims. One could equip a base with even semi-aniline leather and HIDs (top seating and headlight at the time)
https://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/26/...ed-sales-2014/
https://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/26/...ed-sales-2014/
Last edited by Acrad; 12-15-22 at 03:30 PM.
12-15-22, 04:25 PM
#21
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Okay since you want something here are a few:
1) Seats used to be either leather or semi-aniline leather. Now only Lux has Semi-aniline and all others have NuLux- leather isn't even an upgrade option. So if NuLux feels like a downgrade, and you didn't get a Lux, then your 2023 GX is worse.
2) Older have wood bezels around window switches. I believe they are plastic now, at least on the Blackline - so if plastic is worse than wood, then 2023 is worse.
3) Ecru used to get two tone color, with light brown colored hard plastic on bottom of door cards. Now I think all are black regardless. If you got Ecru and would have prefered two tone interior then your 23 is worse.
4) Ecru used to get ecru colored leather pad above glove box, now all are black. Same, your '23 is worse if you got Ecru and wanted it to match the seats.
5) Pre '14 all had power folding 3rd row seats, now just Lux and Prem+ have this. If you didn't get Lux or Prem Plus and wanted electric fold third row, then your '23 is worse.
6) Pre '14 had better approach and departure angles. If you care about approach and departure angles then your '23 GX is much worse.
That is all I can think of. Of course your '23 is better with standard safety systems, Apple Car play, and way way way better headlights.
1) Seats used to be either leather or semi-aniline leather. Now only Lux has Semi-aniline and all others have NuLux- leather isn't even an upgrade option. So if NuLux feels like a downgrade, and you didn't get a Lux, then your 2023 GX is worse.
2) Older have wood bezels around window switches. I believe they are plastic now, at least on the Blackline - so if plastic is worse than wood, then 2023 is worse.
3) Ecru used to get two tone color, with light brown colored hard plastic on bottom of door cards. Now I think all are black regardless. If you got Ecru and would have prefered two tone interior then your 23 is worse.
4) Ecru used to get ecru colored leather pad above glove box, now all are black. Same, your '23 is worse if you got Ecru and wanted it to match the seats.
5) Pre '14 all had power folding 3rd row seats, now just Lux and Prem+ have this. If you didn't get Lux or Prem Plus and wanted electric fold third row, then your '23 is worse.
6) Pre '14 had better approach and departure angles. If you care about approach and departure angles then your '23 GX is much worse.
That is all I can think of. Of course your '23 is better with standard safety systems, Apple Car play, and way way way better headlights.
12-15-22, 04:26 PM
#22
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That started with 2021 for right mirror.
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TheLastV8 (12-15-22)
12-15-22, 06:02 PM
#23
Yeah, decontenting is common on later model years with most manufacturers. The auto-folding side mirrors are a great example. The side trim on the doors is another although you could probably argue dropping the side trim makes for a more contemporary design. It seems reasonable to expect more issues with the electronics / navigation / HVAC / screen interface based simply on the fact there is more of it in later model years. Bones of the vehicle is still the same, though.
12-15-22, 06:15 PM
#24
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Yeah, decontenting is common on later model years with most manufacturers. The auto-folding side mirrors are a great example. The side trim on the doors is another although you could probably argue dropping the side trim makes for a more contemporary design. It seems reasonable to expect more issues with the electronics / navigation / HVAC / screen interface based simply on the fact there is more of it in later model years. Bones of the vehicle is still the same, though.
12-15-22, 06:31 PM
#25
They did on some trims for like a year then reinstated I believe.
12-15-22, 06:33 PM
#26
You know, I thought Lexus dropped them as standard for 2020 model year and the 2020 brochure seems to confirm. But, I just looked at the 2022 model year brochure and they are listed as standard. Maybe removed and then added back after supply issues were resolved?
Edit: CFAI beat me to it.
Edit: CFAI beat me to it.
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CFAI (12-15-22)
12-15-22, 06:39 PM
#27
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IIRC… there was a October 2021 build date reintroduction of power folding on Premium trim… I will have to look at thread tomorrow for details
12-16-22, 01:26 PM
#28
There was some de-contenting that did occur after 10-13 models for options on base model. 10-13 models in US market only had two trims. One could equip a base with even semi-aniline leather and HIDs (top seating and headlight at the time)
https://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/26/...ed-sales-2014/
https://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/26/...ed-sales-2014/
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DrRock (12-18-22)
12-16-22, 02:04 PM
#29
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Yeah.. the 3rd row power folding was standard on all 460s for 10-13
12-16-22, 02:47 PM
#30
They removed passenger side mirror auto-dimming feature starting with 2021 MY, so only driver side mirror dims now. Absolutely senseless and ridiculous decision if you ask me... Also starting in 2022 (and I assume in 2023) they changed window controls trim on the doors from wood to plastic. In order to get real leather you must choose Luxury trim. All other trims are Nu-Lux.