calicoaster

Makes sense. I would give Lexus the edge on longevity for sure. For the X5, the B58 is well proven and rock solid, so I am not worried about the power-train at all, but other things you never know. We take extremely good care of our cars, and so I am hopeful, there will be no major drama. I sometimes wonder if BMW drivers are just much harder on their cars than Toyotas or Lexus.

F90Guy

The B58 is an amazing engine, it's the AK47 of engines now with how many different platforms its being used, all the way from track oriented Supra and M240i, to family SUVs like your X5 and X3 to a dedicated off-roader the INEOS. Its bunkers, I wonder if they tuned the engine to have a different power band in the INEOS for 4h/4l off road use or is it the same as the M240?!

Honestly going with the B58, you did not sacrifice reliability, Toyota putting its own badge and reputation behind it with the Supra is a testament in itself. They've fixed all the gremlins in early productions engines, and I doubt you plan to keep the vehicle for 10 years, it'll last the average 3-6 year turn around people have. Electrical gremlins are electrical gremlins, some sensor might fail, not a big deal, as long as you do good maintenance and keep an eye on all the plasticky bits, it'll run fine.

Which speaking of maintenance, I highly recommend you get the extra maintenance plan on top of the factory 3year. I bought extra 2 years to match the 5 years warranty on my M5, which includes a complete Brake Pad/Rotor swap. For those who don't know BMW has an amazing maintenance plan, it includes EVERYTHING that's in the book, not just your oil/tire rotation. Diff oil, coolant, spark plugs, even batteries in the key fob, whatever is in the book for the first 3 years they replace. For extra $700 you get pads and rotors too, which is a $10k+ job on the M5 based on parts alone. So buy the extra years, its worth it to have that peace of mind. Doesn't include the battery or the wipers.

To be honest I'm partial to the new 50i or M60 with the new S68. For one its an S engine so its the same engine that will go into M5 variants, i've heard that they've made it more robust, replaced all the weak internals of the S63, not N63 but S63. It makes less power on its own, meaning its less stressed. So more robust and less stressed I think the S68 will be extremely reliable. And I just love that 4.4L V8 its just a great touring engine even in the M5.

Reading some of the threads here on coolant valley leaks, oil inside spark plug tubes ect gives me more anxiety about my out of warranty GX than my BMW 3 years from now.

Seanie

We've had BMW's in our family for many years and although we like the cars, we seldom have smooth ownership experiences. We don't drive the vehicles hard and maintain them to a high standard.

calicoaster

Appreciate the comments. @F90Guy - didn't realize your handle being "F90" at first. Thanks for the suggestion on the more comprehensive plans. I also have a G80 M3 (in sig) and considering some kind of extended warranty for that although TBH, this car is a bit of a "garage queen" so not driven much. I drive it sometimes. The X5 will be driven a lot more.

I didn't realize that the B58 has been around since 2015, so its probably going to be pretty solid. Lots of forged internals (much like the S58 in the G80). Overall, I think BMW has established itself as a "pretty reliable" car brand. I will say that my experience with Toyota and Lexus has not been without issue. Mechanically no problems, but both our Toyota and Lexus have had electrical issues especially around the stereo and navigation unit. I've had some very expensive repairs with my IS 350 which was destroying batteries for a couple of years. Even had the "head unit" replaced (very expensive). Eventually they found a fault in one of the boards and replaced that.

The new GX actually brings both new mechanical and electrical/safety/infotainment features. TBH - I was planning to accept risk on that too, so I am not particularly afraid of the X5 in comparison. In the end, I'm going with the X5 (highest likelihood event) because of the overall purchase experience and not getting gouged. My experience so far with BMW is so much better. I don't really understand why Lexus/Toyota is acting like its selling 911 GT3's and Ferraris. Maybe they are having production issues.

F90Guy

My M5 is kind of a garage queen as well but not by choice, same as GX, I've been gone a lot for work, so the cars been sitting in the garage. My M5 is 22, and barely crested 10k miles. In May it's due for its 2 year/20k mile service and it'll probably only have 11k miles if that. But I also drive the GX for winter and work more often, some days I alternate, in the end the M5 gets driven way less.

My wife has a 22 4Runner and she had to get her head unit replaced for Android auto not working, and the entire Climate control console had to be replaced because the temp dial got warped, just happened one day, for no reason. All this was done under warranty but now that is expired. And I wondered if buying extended warranty would be a good idea just for things like that, I'm not that worried about mechanical issues but electronics. While thanks to these forums I'm worried about all these gasket failures in that 4.6 that require extensive repair. And I had a buddy that has a 19GX with 55k miles that had to get his transfer case taken apart as he had a small oil leak where the drive shafts comes out of a T-Case. His was covered under the 7 year power train warranty which mine doesn't qualify for any more being a 16 with 80k miles.

That X5 should solid, I doubt you plan to tune your B58 to be able to gap your M3😂, which is in reality would be too easy to do as B58 is a more popular tuning platform than the S58. I've driven M4s and M240i on a BMW track day, the N/S58 is amazing, I was truly impressed. I barely felt any difference from my M5. Ask if they still offer a free track with a purchase of a new BMW, that was a thing back in 2022.

I didn't realize Lexus does the same thing as Toyota when ordering, not giving the customer a way to order an exact model. We ordered our 4Runner the same way, you get your trim level but everything else like color and options was a wish list. If I were to get a new 550 I'd want it to match my current one, I'd want a ML sound system and Crawl Control.

Toyota and Lexus move so much vehicles, thats why the gouge their customers, people will still buy them while not many people buy M cars. I bought my 22 M5 in Dec of 2021 at the peak of craziness, for $1500 under MSRP, ordered just the way I wanted, without executive package which I's a no no from a dealer. It'd essentially a bare bones M5 Competition without massagers, ventilated seats, self parking and other luxury crap. All I got was traffic jam assist and the extra maintaince to match the 5 year warranty. It took six months but it came. Your X5 should be 6 weeks plus or minus, as all BMW SUVs are made in South Carolina, so no 30 day transatlantic trip.

While at the same time I saw a Rav4 hybrid for 15k over at the Toyota dealership and 4Runners were going for 5 to 10k over. Ridiculous.

Sunshinedaisies

I received an allocation call on Friday for a GX550 white Luxury arriving in May/June. We debated and then accepted. The problem is I REALLY wanted the Luxury plus with a bench seat, this is a Luxury with captains chairs. It is $83,624. (At msrp). I am committed now and will lose my deposit if I change my mind and probably drop to the bottom of the list. I currently don’t have a car (sharing with husband)- so I was not wanting to wait a full year. But I never spend this much on a car and am worried I should have waited it out for what I really wanted. We were pretty far down the list but the dealer liked us and called us within the first few calls- so honestly we should have been a year out.

Was this a bad decision? Help!!

jphcbpa

IMO, for that money get what you want. I too wanted a luxury + with bench seat and was told by dealer that captains chairs will be all they get initially. I opted for the Overtrail + with bench as a result.
You should be able to get a deposit back if you do not receive a car. I don't think legally they can keep a deposit ?

Sunshinedaisies

They required us sign a form that the deposit is non-refundable if we back out - not transferable to another vehicle. I get that these are in huge demand. I just wish Lexus had a more customer friendly ordering system. I am spending so much I just want to be excited, but feel stressed out.

jphcbpa

Probably depends on what state you are in regarding the deposit.

JSTNDAD

I put a deposit on a Luxury+ back in October and 3 weeks ago I heard is delay. because of a Transmission problem that when put in neutral the gears get stuck and can move forward while in neutral. i guess will have to wait a bit longer.

Julius071

what is Lexus solution?

JSTNDAD

@ Julius071 Lexus has no clue or any solution. But the Tahara Plant in Japan eventually will. lol I'm 100% sure they have all the Aisin engineers at full force working on trying to figure this Transmission out,

jtrue28

Wow, that's not good.

jphcbpa

was this not the reason for the original delay in production ?

gvan1998

I have also placed deposit. We are half way through 2024 and the car still hasn't released.

Now I've seen the new 2025 4runner and comming out fall this year, i am leaning towards the new 4runner.