•• 2024 GX 550 Discussion
10-05-21, 04:34 PM
#196
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I’m out. What a disappointment. They need to do a hybrid setup instead of a turbo if they are going to ditch the V8. It’ll be more reliable, get better MPG, less emissions and will just be better in every conceivable way. At least we’ll have a ton of 2010-2022’s to choose from for those who still want a V8. The 2022 just might be highly sought after with that much needed infotainment upgrade.
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Piney1 (10-08-21)
10-05-21, 08:45 PM
#197
10-06-21, 07:37 AM
#198
Yes.
I understand the trepidation around the turbo powertrain and I have read and seen lots of content from lots of sources about whether Toyota will be able to pull off what Ford has arguably not - A 3.5 Twin Turbo V6 in truck.
Will there be a million mile V35A-FTS powered Tundra? Probably.
Will there be as many high mileage V35A trucks as there are 3UR-FE trucks?
Only time will tell.
10-06-21, 08:37 AM
#199
Pole Position
Just got a 2022. And I dont feel the need for more power. It is like the first time ever that I'm content with a vehicle or maybe I'm just lying to myself cuz I'm under water by paying MSRP.
10-06-21, 02:22 PM
#201
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I’m out. What a disappointment. They need to do a hybrid setup instead of a turbo if they are going to ditch the V8. It’ll be more reliable, get better MPG, less emissions and will just be better in every conceivable way. At least we’ll have a ton of 2010-2022’s to choose from for those who still want a V8. The 2022 just might be highly sought after with that much needed infotainment upgrade.
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MrTorgue (10-06-21)
10-06-21, 06:02 PM
#202
Woohoo!! LOL
10-07-21, 06:25 AM
#203
Pole Position
I think the FE improvements will be marginal at best in mixed driving. After I sold my 2018 GX, I had to putt around in my wifes NX200t. My GX got 15mpg, NX got 18mpg and both in mixed driving and driven similarly. There is no free lunch. Power is power and it requires a certain amount of fuel and air to make that power.
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MrTorgue (10-07-21)
10-07-21, 05:39 PM
#204
I think the FE improvements will be marginal at best in mixed driving. After I sold my 2018 GX, I had to putt around in my wifes NX200t. My GX got 15mpg, NX got 18mpg and both in mixed driving and driven similarly. There is no free lunch. Power is power and it requires a certain amount of fuel and air to make that power.
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Piney1 (10-08-21)
10-07-21, 08:06 PM
#205
Pole Position
I will say the 2021 Toyota Venza loaner got ~37mpg when I had it for over a week driven similar to my 460 with some 8 year old kid silliness stomping on the pedal playing with the AWD+electricity LOL. Granted the Venza is about ~3,900lbs so I’d expect this sort of MPG. I had been lightly considering selling my 460 and buying a new NX450h or RAV4 Prime but was just shut down by my wife. She’s tired of me flipping cars. Haha.
10-08-21, 02:58 AM
#206
This is a great thread, lots of information. I’ve always been a huge fan of the Corvette. Recall when the 300Z twin-turbo came out? You’ll rarely see them on the road today but the V8 in the ‘Vette still keeps plugging along. The Supra? How many of those do you see? The new ones non withstanding, the turbo cars do not age well because (my hunch) is that the turbo motors do not last. Too much pressure and too much complexity.
I bought 35 or 38 F150 4x4s with the 5.0 between 2019 and 2020. Got the 5.0 because you can’t kill them but Ford is trying hard. That fuel efficiency programming is killing the motors. Also have roughly 100 Tahoes with the bulletproof 5,3 - can’t kill them UNLESS you do not turn off the cylinder deactivation. That gem of a CAFE dream fries the motors inside of 120k. My job, we run the Tahoes and will run the F150s to at least 200k and still sell them for decent money. Call me a skeptic but a turbo won’t do that.
What I do not see are high mileage turbo cars. High mileage hybrid is cool but not turbo. I’ve rented a Prius and drove it like MrTorgue did, still got 56 mpg. Thankfully I was out of state and nobody recognized in it! I’d have a hybrid V6 all day long but not a turbo. Only way to have a turbo is also the only way to have a Mercedes, BMW or Land Rover and that is to LEASE it. I know that Lexus is phenomenal at reliability and really hope they go the hybrid / normally aspirated route. Just my .02
I bought 35 or 38 F150 4x4s with the 5.0 between 2019 and 2020. Got the 5.0 because you can’t kill them but Ford is trying hard. That fuel efficiency programming is killing the motors. Also have roughly 100 Tahoes with the bulletproof 5,3 - can’t kill them UNLESS you do not turn off the cylinder deactivation. That gem of a CAFE dream fries the motors inside of 120k. My job, we run the Tahoes and will run the F150s to at least 200k and still sell them for decent money. Call me a skeptic but a turbo won’t do that.
What I do not see are high mileage turbo cars. High mileage hybrid is cool but not turbo. I’ve rented a Prius and drove it like MrTorgue did, still got 56 mpg. Thankfully I was out of state and nobody recognized in it! I’d have a hybrid V6 all day long but not a turbo. Only way to have a turbo is also the only way to have a Mercedes, BMW or Land Rover and that is to LEASE it. I know that Lexus is phenomenal at reliability and really hope they go the hybrid / normally aspirated route. Just my .02
10-08-21, 05:53 AM
#208
This is a great thread, lots of information. I’ve always been a huge fan of the Corvette. Recall when the 300Z twin-turbo came out? You’ll rarely see them on the road today but the V8 in the ‘Vette still keeps plugging along. The Supra? How many of those do you see? The new ones non withstanding, the turbo cars do not age well because (my hunch) is that the turbo motors do not last. Too much pressure and too much complexity.
I bought 35 or 38 F150 4x4s with the 5.0 between 2019 and 2020. Got the 5.0 because you can’t kill them but Ford is trying hard. That fuel efficiency programming is killing the motors. Also have roughly 100 Tahoes with the bulletproof 5,3 - can’t kill them UNLESS you do not turn off the cylinder deactivation. That gem of a CAFE dream fries the motors inside of 120k. My job, we run the Tahoes and will run the F150s to at least 200k and still sell them for decent money. Call me a skeptic but a turbo won’t do that.
What I do not see are high mileage turbo cars. High mileage hybrid is cool but not turbo. I’ve rented a Prius and drove it like MrTorgue did, still got 56 mpg. Thankfully I was out of state and nobody recognized in it! I’d have a hybrid V6 all day long but not a turbo. Only way to have a turbo is also the only way to have a Mercedes, BMW or Land Rover and that is to LEASE it. I know that Lexus is phenomenal at reliability and really hope they go the hybrid / normally aspirated route. Just my .02
I bought 35 or 38 F150 4x4s with the 5.0 between 2019 and 2020. Got the 5.0 because you can’t kill them but Ford is trying hard. That fuel efficiency programming is killing the motors. Also have roughly 100 Tahoes with the bulletproof 5,3 - can’t kill them UNLESS you do not turn off the cylinder deactivation. That gem of a CAFE dream fries the motors inside of 120k. My job, we run the Tahoes and will run the F150s to at least 200k and still sell them for decent money. Call me a skeptic but a turbo won’t do that.
What I do not see are high mileage turbo cars. High mileage hybrid is cool but not turbo. I’ve rented a Prius and drove it like MrTorgue did, still got 56 mpg. Thankfully I was out of state and nobody recognized in it! I’d have a hybrid V6 all day long but not a turbo. Only way to have a turbo is also the only way to have a Mercedes, BMW or Land Rover and that is to LEASE it. I know that Lexus is phenomenal at reliability and really hope they go the hybrid / normally aspirated route. Just my .02
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Piney1 (10-08-21)
10-08-21, 06:00 AM
#209
I’m sure it’ll be something like I should keep my 460 because the others cannot do off-road or a hatred for hybrids I’d assume. I have a 470 too so it wouldn’t really hurt me with losing the 460 because, “off-road”. What we really need is a long distance hybrid highway cruiser for when we don’t do the overlanding thing. The hybrids I mentioned would be good for that and the occasional dirt road. But I suppose it’s all moot since the wife said no. LOL
10-08-21, 09:16 AM
#210
Pole Position
I’m sure it’ll be something like I should keep my 460 because the others cannot do off-road or a hatred for hybrids I’d assume. I have a 470 too so it wouldn’t really hurt me with losing the 460 because, “off-road”. What we really need is a long distance hybrid highway cruiser for when we don’t do the overlanding thing. The hybrids I mentioned would be good for that and the occasional dirt road. But I suppose it’s all moot since the wife said no. LOL