nysupraman

Hope it would be that easy, similar to a GX470. However, if they have a different loading height to match and level the third row like the GX460, may not be possible. Keeping fingers crossed!

jer

And the others as a 2 row. Can't see why they don't just make 3 rows optional on all versions.

CFAI

Calling any mechanical engineers, given that the GX460 has an 8.1 ground clearance, 109.8 inch wheelbase and 21d breakover, do these numbers imply that the new GX550 will have around a 9.4 inch ground clearance and maybe closer to 10 inch for the Overtrail?

CFAI

Interesting that for all the offroad talk for the new GX, the approach and departure angles are still worse than the 2010-2013 GX460 models (Approach: 28 vs 26, departure 25 vs (23/22/21)).

skrypj

The limitation on ground clearance is generally the rear diff. The GX460 has an 8.2" ring gear and a 30.5" stock tire. The tire probably sits more like 14" in radius under the weight of the truck minus the 4.1" diameter of the ring gear, plus another ~2" for the differential housing around the gear, puts you right around 8".

This new truck is on 32.6" tires so probably sits more like a 15" radius, but the ring gear is now a 9.5", so 4.75" radius. My guess is the ground clearance spec is just about the same, maybe slightly better.

Not only that but it has 2" larger diameter tires and still is worse.

Have you driven a modern GTDI equipped truck? They are extremely linear. But the best part is that they generally dont need to downshift. My 6500 lb F150 on 35" tires will lug up 7% grades at 55 mph in 6th gear at 1700 rpm and tows my 5500 lb travel trailer without ever really needing to spin more than 3500 rpm in the mountains here in Utah. Its not like some 1990's turbo engine that didnt do anything until the turbo spooled at 3000 rpm. This GX550 engine will make over 400 ft-lbs of torque at 2000 rpm and you'll probably find that in normal daily driving in never needs to spin more than 2500 rpm unless you are in a straight up drag race. It will pull so hard with that 480 ft-lbs of torque.

And as far as efficiency, this is essentially a half ton truck. The weight is the same as a tundra, the rear axle is the same size as a tundras, and the whole driveline is the same size, and it is only Full-time 4wd where as most half ton trucks can run in 2wd. The ONLY advantage this new GX550 for gas mileage is how big of a hole its punching through the air, but its close.

I think they could get mid to upper 20's with the hybrid if it were not for the full time 4wd.

A V8 would have required far more than just DI and a 10 speed to be efficient. Look at the Nissan Titan. 5.6L DI V8 with a 9 speed and the MPG's are horrible compared to any other half ton. Their MPG's are 14's to low 15's while virtually every other half ton is in the mid-16's or higher. They would have needed displacement on demend and all sorts of other stuff to make it competitive and then your reliability would have been out the window.

A hybrid V8 also wouldnt be a great option. The main reason V8's are inefficient is because they are too large for normal daily driving loads and they see a tremendous amount of pumping losses due to manifold vacuum. The large displacement of the engine is causing it to fight itself. Making it a hybrid would make the V8 fight itself even more by reducing the load even more unless they implemented displacement on demand too. GM tried a hybrid V8 silverado and Tahoe and it sucked.

Where did you get these numbers? The EPA lists a 2wd tundra hybrid at 20/24/22 and the 4wd non-hybrid is 17/22/19. And thats a truck that does not have full-time 4wd.

nuclearn8

Really would be nice for them to release pricing. I wander what the Overtrail+ will msrp at... I'm guessing 75 with the lux+ 77,5k

skrypj

Thats a big question mark for me too. But imagine if it did come in a $75k what would happen to the Land Cruiser 200 series prices lol. I went and looked at a 2019 with 72k miles the other day and the guy wanted $72000.

Would anyone pay 72k for a 6-7 year old truck with 72k miles when you could get essentially the new version of the same truck for $75k with 0 miles. Lets face it, this new GX550 is just a 300 series including eKDSS and a rear locker.

IanG

Direct from the Toyota.ca website https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehi...specifications

CFAI

GX550 has no Split gate. No V8. Also LC200 is way, way, way more of a flex for certain folks than a GX ever will be (and I have a GX - so I am not one of those people). So I am not sure how much it will affect prices of the LC200 given how few of them are on the road.

Land Cruiser 200 US Sales source: https://carfigures.com/us-market-bra...a/land-cruiser

Acrad

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-...d-Cruiser-d299

CFAI

GX460 YOY for comparison.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-...Lexus-GX-d2063

skrypj

The US Toyota website shows 17/22/19 for a 4x4 crewmax for me. Same as the EPA website.


Yeah the 200 may be a flex but apparently these are only 3000 of those people attempting to flex per year.

The beautiful thing about this GX550 is that it will hopefully mainsteam the land cruiser platform a little more. The 200 series should never have been sold solely as a luxury SUV. Its not particularly good at it, hence why GM sells 12 times as many escalades per year at the same price. A budget cruiser that came in cheaper than a Sequoia would probably have sold really well.

I've been watching the LC prices slowly fall locally. There are quite a few for sale around here that have been sitting for at least a month and are seeing price reductions now.

IanG

Your guess is as good as mine why there is a difference between Toyota US & Toyota Canada websites, The point I was making is just a comparison between Gas & Hybrid, in a similar sized vehicle, not trying to compare the unknown economy of a yet to be released GX Hybrid

skrypj

The problem is the GX is getting the 2.4L hybrid out of the Tacoma. Its not going to be the 3.4L hybrid from the Tundra/Sequoia so there is more variables than just the hybrid motor.

Seanie

I'd be delighted to get an Overtrail+ for 75... If I order two, do you think it will be possible to get them for msrp? I'm not familiar with how Lexus usually deals with markups.