CFAI

Yep.
Lexus Marketing: "hmm, well lets offer one trim with a rear locker - they will all go so gaga over it that they won't notice that in many ways other than power and info tech, the new GX will have even less off-road capabilities and lux features than the 2nd gen.'

TexasFunRunner

I don't see anything in the documentation of photos to give a solid clue other than the they say "improved ground clearance", therefore, we revert to SWAG.

2023 Lexus GX - 8.1" Ground Clearance
+ "improved ground clearance" =
2024 Lexus GX - ~9.015" SWAG Ground Clearance
-


CCTX

Thanks! I was hoping for something like the 4Runner's so this would be fine by me. Now, only if it had better mpg. Yes, I think I am still going for it. I am already on a waiting list; I am hoping more information about the hybrid availability and specs would be out soon.

skrypj

I'll have to let all to companies that make 3/16" steel skid plates and rock sliders for the GX460 know this.

I just dragged my fuel tank skid last weekend up these rocks. It doesnt help that the GX460 only has like 11.5" of clearance to the gas tank even with a 2" lift and 33's.



Lockers are also extremely helpful in deep snow and sand even if you are not stuck on rocks. Trying to depend on ATRAC crawling in deep snow would result in some smoked brakes.

Its not really about the gearing in my eyes. Its more about the torque delivery. When you are producing 406-ft-lbs at 2000 rpm instead of <300 ft-lbs(as with the 1UR-FE) you can turn some large tires without the need to go gear hunting. Its not just about getting off the line. Its about being able to climb hills and accelerate without having to downshift 3 gears every time. A lot of the hills around here, my GX ends up in 4th at 3000 rpm on 33's. My 1000 lb heavier, far less aerodynamic, F150 on 35's with the crappy old 1st gen Ecoboost can cruise up the same hills at 1700 rpm.

35's will improve all of the things you are saying are not improved. Especially ground clearance, since you cannot lift the rear differential without increasing tire size or buying portal axles.





I dont think the ground clearance will be that good. The tire size increased 2"(1" in radius) but the ring gear also increased almost 1.5"(.75" radius). Ill put the ground clearance maybe at 8.5" at the rear diff.

TexasFunRunner

I can't agree or disagree, it is a black hole of information so far from Lexus, this reveal really feels like it was rushed.

SWAG = Scientific Wild *** Guess
Sometimes you have a basis for a valid Scientific estimate.
Sometimes, lacking information, you just make a Wild *** Guess (but when you carry the guess out three decimal places, it sounds more valid.
(and yes, this is actually how many Engineering estimates are made.)

Rommelromm

I have sliders and skids but I still say that dragging the belly is a bad plan, especially if you’re so hung up you need a locker to advance.

It’s not like I’m complaining about the locker anyways, it’s the poor approach and departure I find relegate this to more soft-roading than serious off-roading. High clearance bumpers will
come but only so much you can do with the big rear overhang and I’ve been told the intercoolers are mounted pretty low.

CFAI

I can't quite figure out what the exact size is, but the GX550 looks like its external dimensions are almost the same as the LC200! One of the main selling points of the GX460 was that it offered a similar, if not completely equal, capability SUV as the LC200/LX570 but in a more manageable foot print. I wonder if the new 4runner will be the current GX sized offering going forward.

skrypj

And the alleged land cruiser prado(rebadged as just land cruiser) they are supposed to be bringing here.

CFAI

I have no idea of course, but my guess is the the new LC will be similar sized as the GX550. Maybe the 4runner stays the 'small' one.

Rommelromm

It’s pretty close in terms of how wide at the fenders it is, and length too, but the cabin is smaller because of the somewhat coke bottle profile of the cab.

skrypj

Its a prado so I doubt it, but maybe.

Everything I have heard says its not going to be the actual Land Cruiser.

Rommelromm

I suspect the 4Runner won’t be much smaller, it would be pretty awesome if they shorten up the overhangs and keep it a bit narrower, but I doubt the chassis is any different.

CFAI

The new LC will be based on the New GX (so, yeah, not the LC300). Which is almost as big as the old LC200. So I was wondering if maybe they will keep the 4runner as a midsized SUV rather than supersizing that up as well.

skrypj

But the new GX is based on the same chassis as the LC300. The specs are virtually identical and I am pretty sure that the guy who runs GXOR and was consulted by Lexus confirmed as much

The GX is no longer based on the Prado chassis.

GX4602011

The j150 platform (GX460 & Prado) is sold as the 'Land Cruiser' in the UK and perhaps some other markets, even though the 200 was sold as the 'Land Cruiser' in other markets (US etc.). Just like the current GX, the new GX is still going to be a Prado with Lexus decor. So, like the UK, the US will get the new Prado in Toyota decor but with the Land Cruiser name instead of the Prado name (in other markets the Land Cruiser will be the j300, as it really is). As we all know, the Land Cruiser 300 is sold here as the Lexus LX600, but not as a Toyota (because the 2024 Prado will be the US Land Cruiser).

Simplified:
Land Cruiser:
j200 = Land Cruiser and LX560
j300 = LX600 and Land Cruiser (in many markets, except the US)

Prado:
j150 = GX460, Prado (outside US), Land Cruiser (in the UK and some markets, not in the US because the L200 was the Land Cruiser).
j170[?] = GX550, Prado (outside US), Land Cruiser (inside US, UK/EU etc.). Not sure the new j number the chassis is/will be called or if an all new name.

See it in this video:


So, if you live in the US and want a Prado, now you will be able to get a Toyota version in addition to the Lexus version. If You want the big Land Cruiser, you can only get it as a Lexus LX600. This is reversed from before where US buyers who wanted a Prado could only get it as a Lexus GX460/GX470 while those who wanted a Land Cruiser could get it as either a Lexus LX or a Toyota.

I would expect well informed US Land Cruiser buyers will know that they are getting the Prado instead of the Land Cruiser (j300) as sold in other countries.