Lexus HS 250h...revealed Jan. 11
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looking at the video, does anybody notice a problem with his speech.
he says, "...the fist lexus to be equipped with a 2.4 Cyl atkinston cycle that produces 187 horsepower"
the engine produces 187 horsepower? he never says combined total output...?
can there be a slight chance (please god) that the total power will be in the low 200s?
on second thought, the press release is more clear on this.
he says, "...the fist lexus to be equipped with a 2.4 Cyl atkinston cycle that produces 187 horsepower"
the engine produces 187 horsepower? he never says combined total output...?
can there be a slight chance (please god) that the total power will be in the low 200s?
on second thought, the press release is more clear on this.
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Some HS250h pics to share with you guys for now...more to come.
Lexus Group VP and GM Mark Templin with the world press.
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HS250h LED headlamps in action.
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Chief Engineer Koba posing for the Lexus PR photo.
Lexus Group VP and GM Mark Templin with the world press.
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HS250h LED headlamps in action.
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Chief Engineer Koba posing for the Lexus PR photo.
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Here's a funny one...Chief Engineer Hiro Koba taking a picture of Chief Engineer Akihiko Otsuka (2010 Prius) just after the unveiling of the 2010 Prius, just 24 hours after the HS250 was released at the Riverview Ballroom. ![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Chief Engineer Otsuka being bombarded by the world press:
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Toyota Group VP and GM (Former Group VP and GM of Lexus) Bob Carter and Chief Engineer Otsuka posing for the Toyota PR Photo:
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Chief Engineer Otsuka being bombarded by the world press:
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Toyota Group VP and GM (Former Group VP and GM of Lexus) Bob Carter and Chief Engineer Otsuka posing for the Toyota PR Photo:
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More to come soon.
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-There have been those on this board who called Lexus 'Tier 1' and said other brands weren't because Lexus vehicles were more expensive, sold for more, etc. I'm wondering how they feel about this. Is it watering down the brand/image? For one I don't care if it does but I'm wondering if there are people out there upset about this. Then again I don't know the base price. Probably nothing too far off from the base IS250, I'd guess. But that just adds one more model to the high 20s/mid 30s range.
Differences between the groupings is sport oriented versus plush luxury ride, hence the FWD configurations for the luxury sedans. It's a good business move, cross selling between the IS versus HS will be limited because of sport versus non-sport hybrid.
Something I don't quite understand is the naming scheme.
RX400h/RX450h: hybrid drive trains with combined output to be similar to 4.0/4.5l counterparts (V8s).
LS600h: like a 6.0l V12
HS250h: 2.4 4 cyl that's like a 2.5 V6? I really thought they were going to release the new Prius engine in this. I guess you could argue that the electric motors make it more V6 torquey versus 4 cyl gutlessness.
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Lexus is tier 1 period.
One can argue that Lexus lacks performance but hardly anyone will argue that Lexus lacks luxury. Lexus has all the key ingredients for a tier 1 luxury brand:
- A full sedan lineup including a range-topping flagship sedan.
- A full SUV/crossover lineup including the range-topping flagship LX570 which only the Range Rover can compete with it in terms of luxury + utility
- A halo flagship: LS600hL.
- Coupes/Convertibles: SC430 & the soon-to-go-on-sale ISX50C. Sure there are people who said the SC doesn't sell or drives like a boat but no one can argue that it isn't a luxury car.
- A full range of hybrid lineup including a midsize sedan (GS450h), midsize crossover (hybrid RX), a flagship sedan (LS600hL) and the soon-to-go-on-sale compact sedan (HS250h).
- An in-house tuning division (F). Sure it only has one model right now but the fact is that Lexus has it.
Lexus not tier one? I don't think so.
One can argue that Lexus lacks performance but hardly anyone will argue that Lexus lacks luxury. Lexus has all the key ingredients for a tier 1 luxury brand:
- A full sedan lineup including a range-topping flagship sedan.
- A full SUV/crossover lineup including the range-topping flagship LX570 which only the Range Rover can compete with it in terms of luxury + utility
- A halo flagship: LS600hL.
- Coupes/Convertibles: SC430 & the soon-to-go-on-sale ISX50C. Sure there are people who said the SC doesn't sell or drives like a boat but no one can argue that it isn't a luxury car.
- A full range of hybrid lineup including a midsize sedan (GS450h), midsize crossover (hybrid RX), a flagship sedan (LS600hL) and the soon-to-go-on-sale compact sedan (HS250h).
- An in-house tuning division (F). Sure it only has one model right now but the fact is that Lexus has it.
Lexus not tier one? I don't think so.
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I agree, Lexus is tier 1. Based on my experience having owned other tier 1 luxury brands. Lexus hangs with them.
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Lexus is tier 1 period.
One can argue that Lexus lacks performance but hardly anyone will argue that Lexus lacks luxury. Lexus has all the key ingredients for a tier 1 luxury brand:
- A full sedan lineup including a range-topping flagship sedan.
- A full SUV/crossover lineup including the range-topping flagship LX570 which only the Range Rover can compete with it in terms of luxury + utility
- A halo flagship: LS600hL.
- Coupes/Convertibles: SC430 & the soon-to-go-on-sale ISX50C. Sure there are people who said the SC doesn't sell or drives like a boat but no one can argue that it isn't a luxury car.
- A full range of hybrid lineup including a midsize sedan (GS450h), midsize crossover (hybrid RX), a flagship sedan (LS600hL) and the soon-to-go-on-sale compact sedan (HS250h).
- An in-house tuning division (F). Sure it only has one model right now but the fact is that Lexus has it.
Lexus not tier one? I don't think so.
One can argue that Lexus lacks performance but hardly anyone will argue that Lexus lacks luxury. Lexus has all the key ingredients for a tier 1 luxury brand:
- A full sedan lineup including a range-topping flagship sedan.
- A full SUV/crossover lineup including the range-topping flagship LX570 which only the Range Rover can compete with it in terms of luxury + utility
- A halo flagship: LS600hL.
- Coupes/Convertibles: SC430 & the soon-to-go-on-sale ISX50C. Sure there are people who said the SC doesn't sell or drives like a boat but no one can argue that it isn't a luxury car.
- A full range of hybrid lineup including a midsize sedan (GS450h), midsize crossover (hybrid RX), a flagship sedan (LS600hL) and the soon-to-go-on-sale compact sedan (HS250h).
- An in-house tuning division (F). Sure it only has one model right now but the fact is that Lexus has it.
Lexus not tier one? I don't think so.
I mean drivetrain options: transmissions, engines, drive type
The IS should get a 350 AWD model to compete with the 335xi (I see these all the time in Boston). A manual should be offered for sports sedans at all engine trims(at least for the IS model, the GS eh... not so many care as much)
I mean models:
No true GS coupe (SC430 is not the same as the SC3/400)
No true coupe period.
Wagon models (meh kinda a moot point but MB and BMW and Audi offer them)
Roadsters
I don't argue that Lexus is luxurious, I just believe luxury buyers should have more options. I'm not trying to knock on Lexus they're definitely competing with MB and BMW and I believe that Lexus is definitely above Audi but they just haven't achieved the top notch. I guess I should say that they are tier 1 but aren't the top player.
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I don't argue that Lexus is luxurious, I just believe luxury buyers should have more options. I'm not trying to knock on Lexus they're definitely competing with MB and BMW and I believe that Lexus is definitely above Audi but they just haven't achieved the top notch. I guess I should say that they are tier 1 but aren't the top player.
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I think it is important to keep in mind that Lexus is only 20 years old. The fact that they are trying to enter into segments like you have mentioned (ie. with cars like the HS, ISc, IS F, hopefully the LF A
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You are certainly correct that Lexus lacks competitive models to some of the German cars, but hopefully we will continue to see that change in the immediate future.
If Lexus is able to achieve broader competitiveness across entire line-ups, imo, they would have a great shot at being the number one Tier 1 brand.
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Something I don't quite understand is the naming scheme.
RX400h/RX450h: hybrid drive trains with combined output to be similar to 4.0/4.5l counterparts (V8s).
LS600h: like a 6.0l V12
HS250h: 2.4 4 cyl that's like a 2.5 V6? I really thought they were going to release the new Prius engine in this. I guess you could argue that the electric motors make it more V6 torquey versus 4 cyl gutlessness.
RX400h/RX450h: hybrid drive trains with combined output to be similar to 4.0/4.5l counterparts (V8s).
LS600h: like a 6.0l V12
HS250h: 2.4 4 cyl that's like a 2.5 V6? I really thought they were going to release the new Prius engine in this. I guess you could argue that the electric motors make it more V6 torquey versus 4 cyl gutlessness.
So my question becomes, when this car does get the 2.5L I4, will they rename it to the IS 270, or something like it?