Lexus HS 250h...revealed Jan. 11
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Diesel = 0.899 € / liter
Gasoline = 0.999 € / liter
BMW 316 (122 hp) base price = 27.050 €
BMW 320diesel (177 hp) base price = 34050 € sells like hot cakes
fuel efficiency according to BMW specs = 4.7l/100 outstanding
Lexus IS220d (177 hp) base price =32.250 € does not sell very well, multiple reliability issues related with the diesel engine
fuel efficiency according to Lexus specs =7.4 l /100 (not that good) but the actual fuel efficiency for some drivers is pretty close from IS250's (9.0 l /100 +). Clearly Lexus definitively needs an Hybrid since the IS220d is a major failure and it has been announced that Lexus will stop producing the diesel IS220d when the gen3 IS is released (by 2011).
Gasoline = 0.999 € / liter
BMW 316 (122 hp) base price = 27.050 €
BMW 320diesel (177 hp) base price = 34050 € sells like hot cakes
fuel efficiency according to BMW specs = 4.7l/100 outstanding
Lexus IS220d (177 hp) base price =32.250 € does not sell very well, multiple reliability issues related with the diesel engine
fuel efficiency according to Lexus specs =7.4 l /100 (not that good) but the actual fuel efficiency for some drivers is pretty close from IS250's (9.0 l /100 +). Clearly Lexus definitively needs an Hybrid since the IS220d is a major failure and it has been announced that Lexus will stop producing the diesel IS220d when the gen3 IS is released (by 2011).
As to BMW diesel in question, great engine - but of course, that fuel consumption is due to very long gearing + start/stop system... in fact, that particular engine won award from Autobild for biggest discrepancy between official figures and real life test - i believe they got around 6.7l on average, or >40% difference.
I am not sure if Lexus will get more diesels or not, but that has nothing to do with 177hp engine, rather that their hybrid is selling so well that they are thinking about making it hybrid brand (if that is true and possible, which is doubtful right now).
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Everything I have show the IS 220d has been a tremendous help to Lexus, its the best selling vehicle. It has the most torque in class. Its the first Lexus diesel hopefully they will get better in the future. Lexus NEEDS hybrids AND diesels to compete better in Europe where they hope to see sales grow to over 100k.
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lots of other dealer-visit-required issues too.
and according to the poll, only 27% would buy another one.
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Judging from the responses, many aren't pleased with the IS220d due to the issues (such as 5th Injector/O2 sensor, the rattles and creaks and the EGR). Heck, most people have already been victimized with their IS220d vehicles stalling in the middle of the road and a few didn't like the way the manual gearbox responded with the 2.2 diesel engine. Indeed, not pleasing news to hear (and it is very un-Lexus for their cars to stall on the road)
In fact, here's what they recommended: The IS220d is so ****ing terrible that it is simply a waste of time and money (and a bigger headache at the service/repair station or shop). PERIOD. Better yet, go get yourself an IS 250 SE-L automatic instead![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/for...ic=56100&st=20
It looks like the consensus is right......and I think many European Lexus owners feel the same way. Ditch the 220d and go get yourself an IS250 auto.
You won't regret it
Judging from the responses, many aren't pleased with the IS220d due to the issues (such as 5th Injector/O2 sensor, the rattles and creaks and the EGR). Heck, most people have already been victimized with their IS220d vehicles stalling in the middle of the road and a few didn't like the way the manual gearbox responded with the 2.2 diesel engine. Indeed, not pleasing news to hear (and it is very un-Lexus for their cars to stall on the road)
In fact, here's what they recommended: The IS220d is so ****ing terrible that it is simply a waste of time and money (and a bigger headache at the service/repair station or shop). PERIOD. Better yet, go get yourself an IS 250 SE-L automatic instead
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It looks like the consensus is right......and I think many European Lexus owners feel the same way. Ditch the 220d and go get yourself an IS250 auto.
You won't regret it
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Everything I have show the IS 220d has been a tremendous help to Lexus, its the best selling vehicle. It has the most torque in class. Its the first Lexus diesel hopefully they will get better in the future. Lexus NEEDS hybrids AND diesels to compete better in Europe where they hope to see sales grow to over 100k.
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dunno the validity of the poll, but in this one 17.5% of is220d owners have been left stranded by their broken down car. ![Sad](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif)
lots of other dealer-visit-required issues too.
and according to the poll, only 27% would buy another one.![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/for...howtopic=47474
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lots of other dealer-visit-required issues too.
and according to the poll, only 27% would buy another one.
![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/for...howtopic=47474
As to the poll, it has quite small engine issues voted for, considering people go to the forums to complain. More people complained about interior issues.
A lot of people complained about fuel consumption - i would guess a lot of those traded up from smaller diesels, thinking that having 177hp diesel wont give them any fuel penalty... oops. Bigger turbos spend more fuel...
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i said it before, and I will repeat it again - there is nothing unique to the IS220d engine compared to complete series on diesel engines from Toyota that last month won award for most reliable brand from Autobild for cars 1-3 years old, out of which 50% are powered by those same diesel engines. Meaning it is more reliable than other diesel engines sold by other brands... Meaning I would not want to get diesel engine if I wanted something reliable, ha ha.
As to the poll, it has quite small engine issues voted for, considering people go to the forums to complain. More people complained about interior issues.
A lot of people complained about fuel consumption - i would guess a lot of those traded up from smaller diesels, thinking that having 177hp diesel wont give them any fuel penalty... oops. Bigger turbos spend more fuel...
As to the poll, it has quite small engine issues voted for, considering people go to the forums to complain. More people complained about interior issues.
A lot of people complained about fuel consumption - i would guess a lot of those traded up from smaller diesels, thinking that having 177hp diesel wont give them any fuel penalty... oops. Bigger turbos spend more fuel...
The point is that with this engine, Toyota wanted to pump out 177 hp from a 2.2 liter diesel engine, that's just too much to ask for!
On the other hand, Toyota 'regular' diesel engines are rock solid, my Land Cruiser 3.0 diesle engines delivers (only) 165 ch and for the past 6 years, I never had a single problem with it.
But you're right Bigger turbos spend more fuel... but in the Is220d case, it can be up to what an IS250 would spend , BMW320d has far better performances and spend far less ... I guess that even Lexus may fail some times, and they did.
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I have to disagree with that, the IS220d is the very first Lexus ever that had that many engine reliability problems. That's the very first Lexus ever that will let you down. Among our members, some of them experienced the same problems several times, and these are NOT small issues, check with them, which means that even once fixed you cannot make sure you will reach your destination with no problems.
The point is that with this engine, Toyota wanted to pump out 177 hp from a 2.2 liter diesel engine, that's just too much to ask for!
On the other hand, Toyota 'regular' diesel engines are rock solid, my Land Cruiser 3.0 diesle engines delivers (only) 165 ch and for the past 6 years, I never had a single problem with it.
But you're right Bigger turbos spend more fuel... but in the Is220d case, it can be up to what an IS250 would spend , BMW320d has far better performances and spend far less ... I guess that even Lexus may fail some times, and they did.
The point is that with this engine, Toyota wanted to pump out 177 hp from a 2.2 liter diesel engine, that's just too much to ask for!
On the other hand, Toyota 'regular' diesel engines are rock solid, my Land Cruiser 3.0 diesle engines delivers (only) 165 ch and for the past 6 years, I never had a single problem with it.
But you're right Bigger turbos spend more fuel... but in the Is220d case, it can be up to what an IS250 would spend , BMW320d has far better performances and spend far less ... I guess that even Lexus may fail some times, and they did.
Though it may probably have to do that fact that this is engine is made in Poland (which is surprising considering that the engine factory there is just new)........and unlike the other Toyota group diesel engines that are made in Japan (where quality control standards are way stricter and heavily enforced)
Who knows......
Bottom line though: Forget about the IS220d and go for the IS 250 Automatic
Sure, the fuel consumption of a petrol/gasoline vehicle is higher and depending on how much unleaded fuel is, it may be a problem (that and if you are in the UK, you WILL have to pay higher VED tax every year). But at least you won't be disappointed and at least your Lexus will not stall at all.
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P.S.
Shocking indeed as I was imaging a Previa with this 2AD-FHV engine (as I saw the performance and fuel economy benefits it offered over the 2AZ-FE petrol/gas engine)........yet after hearing these horror stories, I don't feel like ever installing such an unreliable engine (if they can't get it right).
Might as well go for the 2GR-FE engine instead and be on the safe side (even if it consumes more fuel since its a 3.5 V6 petrol/gasoline engine)
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I will be in Detroit for the HS250h unveiling. Of course another Club Lexus Exclusive!
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