Lexus to stretch flagship sedan; LS 460 also will offer industry's first hybrid V-8
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
At this point, LS460 short wheel base seems more likely for me, maybe in 08. I'm happy they're making a V8+hybrid, but as I' ve said before, I'm not 100 % on the Lexus hybrids yet, untiI I get to drive one. The LS600hL will probably be fully loaded & pricey too.
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I guess development and production costs for two wheelbase versions aren't that high. I would normally say one is enough, but because MB, BMW, Audi, and Jag all have different lengths, (and maybe even the Phaeton, although I can't remember), I think Lexus is smart to go this route as well.
In response to one of the previous posts, I thought the article makes it sound as if there will be both SWB and LWB.
Audi has a LWB version of its A6. Only sold in China. I wonder why companies don't have two wheelbase lengths for more cars other than just the large sedans... One would think that since the entry and midsize car markets are larger, they'd more easily recoup costs.
In response to one of the previous posts, I thought the article makes it sound as if there will be both SWB and LWB.
Audi has a LWB version of its A6. Only sold in China. I wonder why companies don't have two wheelbase lengths for more cars other than just the large sedans... One would think that since the entry and midsize car markets are larger, they'd more easily recoup costs.
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Originally Posted by Incendiary
I guess development and production costs for two wheelbase versions aren't that high. I would normally say one is enough, but because MB, BMW, Audi, and Jag all have different lengths, (and maybe even the Phaeton, although I can't remember), I think Lexus is smart to go this route as well.
In response to one of the previous posts, I thought the article makes it sound as if there will be both SWB and LWB.
Audi has a LWB version of its A6. Only sold in China. I wonder why companies don't have two wheelbase lengths for more cars other than just the large sedans... One would think that since the entry and midsize car markets are larger, they'd more easily recoup costs.
In response to one of the previous posts, I thought the article makes it sound as if there will be both SWB and LWB.
Audi has a LWB version of its A6. Only sold in China. I wonder why companies don't have two wheelbase lengths for more cars other than just the large sedans... One would think that since the entry and midsize car markets are larger, they'd more easily recoup costs.
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Lexus did promise the new LS will change the game like the 1989 model.
Are we close to the$80 or $90,000 Lexus
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Yup, and this will help increase sales in Europe as well, where SWB and LWB cars are needed. Wow 600hl, so the power of a V-10 6.0 liter with V-6 fuel economy
The LS is already near swiftest in class with the lowest power rating.
Lexus did promise the new LS will change the game like the 1989 model.
Are we close to the$80 or $90,000 Lexus
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Lexus did promise the new LS will change the game like the 1989 model.
Are we close to the$80 or $90,000 Lexus
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Yup, and this will help increase sales in Europe as well, where SWB and LWB cars are needed. Wow 600hl, so the power of a V-10 6.0 liter with V-6 fuel economy
The LS is already near swiftest in class with the lowest power rating.
Lexus did promise the new LS will change the game like the 1989 model.
Are we close to the$80 or $90,000 Lexus
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Lexus did promise the new LS will change the game like the 1989 model.
Are we close to the$80 or $90,000 Lexus
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Originally Posted by Incendiary
Why are SWB and LWB needed in Europe?
Maybe Richie can chime in?
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Latest comparo from Road & Track...Lexus is sadly left out...but not for long!!
Audi A8 L vs. BMW 745Li vs. Jaguar XJ8 L vs. Mercedes-Benz S500 vs. Volkswagen Phaeton V8:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=2151
BTW, the finishing order is as follows:
1. BMW 745Li
2. Audi A8 L
3. Jaguar XJ8 L
4. Volkswagen Phaeton V8
5. Mercedes-Benz S500
The BMW won despite being given the lowest scores in ride, interior styling, exterior styling and ergonomics (things that actually count for a LWB car, you know). Just goes to show you where R&T's bias is.
Audi A8 L vs. BMW 745Li vs. Jaguar XJ8 L vs. Mercedes-Benz S500 vs. Volkswagen Phaeton V8:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=2151
BTW, the finishing order is as follows:
1. BMW 745Li
2. Audi A8 L
3. Jaguar XJ8 L
4. Volkswagen Phaeton V8
5. Mercedes-Benz S500
The BMW won despite being given the lowest scores in ride, interior styling, exterior styling and ergonomics (things that actually count for a LWB car, you know). Just goes to show you where R&T's bias is.
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Latest comapro from Road & Track...Lexus is sadly left out...but not for long!!
Audi A8 L vs. BMW 745Li vs. Jaguar XJ8 L vs. Mercedes-Benz S500 vs. Volkswagen Phaeton V8:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=2151
BTW, the finishing order is as follows:
1. BMW 745Li
2. Audi A8 L
3. Jaguar XJ8 L
4. Volkswagen Phaeton V8
5. Mercedes-Benz S500
The BMW won despite being given the lowest scores in ride, interior styling, exterior styling and ergonomics (things that actually count for a LWB car, you know). Just goes to show you where R&T's bias is.
Audi A8 L vs. BMW 745Li vs. Jaguar XJ8 L vs. Mercedes-Benz S500 vs. Volkswagen Phaeton V8:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=2151
BTW, the finishing order is as follows:
1. BMW 745Li
2. Audi A8 L
3. Jaguar XJ8 L
4. Volkswagen Phaeton V8
5. Mercedes-Benz S500
The BMW won despite being given the lowest scores in ride, interior styling, exterior styling and ergonomics (things that actually count for a LWB car, you know). Just goes to show you where R&T's bias is.
Amazing, the Benz S-class has never come CLOSE to winning a comparison. It even lost to the OLD LS 400 several years ago (with the new bodystyle). And people buy them in droves.
I cannot believe the chose the 7, the Audi or Jag should have been #1.
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Latest comparo from Road & Track...Lexus is sadly left out...but not for long!!
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This time from the latest issue of the Holiday Auto magazine.
Thought I'd post it just for the heck of it.![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Doesn't look bad IMO. Fits the L-finesse theme quite nicely.
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Thought I'd post it just for the heck of it.
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Doesn't look bad IMO. Fits the L-finesse theme quite nicely.
![](http://www.motormagazinesha.co.jp/medialog/books/car_mag/ha/img/ha0505.jpg)
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Originally Posted by MGS4
From Best Car Magazine (Japan)
the new Celsior (LS)
Will have a base engine of 4.5L or 4.6L
Might have a 5.0L engine in the "GT" model
the new Celsior (LS)
Will have a base engine of 4.5L or 4.6L
Might have a 5.0L engine in the "GT" model
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
This time from the latest issue of the Holiday Auto magazine.
Thought I'd post it just for the heck of it.![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Doesn't look bad IMO. Fits the L-finesse theme quite nicely.
![](http://www.motormagazinesha.co.jp/medialog/books/car_mag/ha/img/ha0505.jpg)
Enlarged and cropped for easier view:
Thought I'd post it just for the heck of it.
![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Doesn't look bad IMO. Fits the L-finesse theme quite nicely.
![](http://www.motormagazinesha.co.jp/medialog/books/car_mag/ha/img/ha0505.jpg)
Enlarged and cropped for easier view:
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I couldn't find it, but there's that rendering of the future LS with light blue...plus the Motor Trend pics..an L-Finessed LS keeping the original LS + current LS design elements.