181 GS450h cars sold in May!
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Boy...someone really drank up the kool-aid. Eco friendly??? What about that cache of batteries in your back seat? Manufacturing impact, disposal of all that lead-acid, not to mention the chemical concerns when gas mixes with acid which mixes with anti-freeze which mixes with oil in a crash. Ask any EMT how they feel about being called to hybrid car wrecks. Eco-friendly is marketing hogwash. Fuel economy is slightly better, but the difference is negligible when you factor in the depreciation of hybrids, and the environemental impact of battery disposal. Honestly, would you ever buy a 4 year old used hybrid? $4,000 for new batteries is a big deterrent.
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Probably not....sorry if I responded a bit too strong. I can feel my blood pressure climb when I hear complete nonsense in the news, and then find out that people actually believe it.
The Hybrid hype about it being more "green" is near the top of the list! And, regarding the carbon footprint....we are a carbon-based life form. Our entire existence is dependant on carbon. There isn't too much of it. Heck, without it, we'd lose it's insulating capacity and freeze to death. Remember, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto have all warmed consistent with Earth. It ain't global warming! And driving a hybrid won't fix what isn't broken.
Ok...off my soap box for now.
The Hybrid hype about it being more "green" is near the top of the list! And, regarding the carbon footprint....we are a carbon-based life form. Our entire existence is dependant on carbon. There isn't too much of it. Heck, without it, we'd lose it's insulating capacity and freeze to death. Remember, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto have all warmed consistent with Earth. It ain't global warming! And driving a hybrid won't fix what isn't broken.
Ok...off my soap box for now.
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Boy...someone really drank up the kool-aid. Eco friendly??? What about that cache of batteries in your back seat? Manufacturing impact, disposal of all that lead-acid, not to mention the chemical concerns when gas mixes with acid which mixes with anti-freeze which mixes with oil in a crash. Ask any EMT how they feel about being called to hybrid car wrecks. Eco-friendly is marketing hogwash. Fuel economy is slightly better, but the difference is negligible when you factor in the depreciation of hybrids, and the environemental impact of battery disposal. Honestly, would you ever buy a 4 year old used hybrid? $4,000 for new batteries is a big deterrent.
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George W. is it you? I didn't realize you knew how to use the Internet tubes. I thought that even you admitted last week that global warming was real...
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Regardless of battery type, the same issues remain...safety and volatility in a crash, cost of manufacturing and disposal, horrible depreciation, and NO IMPACT what-so-ever on the melting polar ice caps (which have melted and frozen countless times throughout history). Clearly the point was lost on you Mr. Gore.
Here's the questions you didn't answer....would you buy a 4 year old hybrid? Will driving a hybrid help cool Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto (all have warmed in synch with each other)? Will driving a hybrid somehow eliminate the long and documented cyclic warming and cooling of most planets?
No need to really answer. We won't convince each other anyway. Just some interesing cyber discussion...
Here's the questions you didn't answer....would you buy a 4 year old hybrid? Will driving a hybrid help cool Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto (all have warmed in synch with each other)? Will driving a hybrid somehow eliminate the long and documented cyclic warming and cooling of most planets?
No need to really answer. We won't convince each other anyway. Just some interesing cyber discussion...
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There is indeed a documented cycle of heating and cooling of the planet, but nothing as fast and as extreme as the one we are experiencing right now. The reason being human impact and most of all carbon emission in the atmosphere.
Now if you want to keep you head buried in the sand, do not worry, only your *** will heat up.
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course. But let me point out a few things:
4. The difference in fuel economy is very significant. My average of the last 2,000 miles has been 24 mpg. I'm guessing that comparable mix of driving would have produced mileage of about 15-17 mpg with my heavy foot on the 430. At the current Premium gas prices of $3.30, I would save over $2,000 in gas in just three years.
4. The difference in fuel economy is very significant. My average of the last 2,000 miles has been 24 mpg. I'm guessing that comparable mix of driving would have produced mileage of about 15-17 mpg with my heavy foot on the 430. At the current Premium gas prices of $3.30, I would save over $2,000 in gas in just three years.
2007 GS450h: 23
2007 GS350: 22
2007 GS430: 19
While we don't know what the GS460's mileage will be, I'm guessing that it'll be close to the 430 since the engine is newer (better mileage probably) but has more horsepower (less mileage probably), which means they'll probably cancel each other out.
The difference between 19 mpg to 23 mpg will barely be noticable for most drivers.
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The point is not gas millage, though it's good that it is better, the point is CO2 emissions, the Lexus US website do not give any information on this, because, you know, the US **** on the Kyoto protocol, so CO2, who cares ?
But in UK you can find this information, here is the break out:
GS 430: 269 g/km
GS 300: 232 g/km
GS 450h: 186 g/km
The champions are for sure the Toyota Prius and the Civic Hybrid
Prius: 104 g/km
Civic Hybrid: 109 g/km
So 178% the CO2 emissions of the Prius, but 69% the one of the GS430.
I believe it make a difference, it may not save the planet in the end, but it send the message that more efficient engines and motors needs to be used, and for sure the economic aspect do not make sense, but I can afford it and the impact on my Karma is priceless.
For reference:
Lexus LS460: 261 g/km
Mercedes E500: 280 g/km
Hummer H3: 327 g/km
BMW M5: 357 g/km
Aston Martin Vanquish S: 448 g/km
Source: http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/
But in UK you can find this information, here is the break out:
GS 430: 269 g/km
GS 300: 232 g/km
GS 450h: 186 g/km
The champions are for sure the Toyota Prius and the Civic Hybrid
Prius: 104 g/km
Civic Hybrid: 109 g/km
So 178% the CO2 emissions of the Prius, but 69% the one of the GS430.
I believe it make a difference, it may not save the planet in the end, but it send the message that more efficient engines and motors needs to be used, and for sure the economic aspect do not make sense, but I can afford it and the impact on my Karma is priceless.
For reference:
Lexus LS460: 261 g/km
Mercedes E500: 280 g/km
Hummer H3: 327 g/km
BMW M5: 357 g/km
Aston Martin Vanquish S: 448 g/km
Source: http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/
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Based on the new EPA estimates, which will be in effect shortly, the combined city/highway miles are:
2007 GS450h: 23
2007 GS350: 22
2007 GS430: 19
While we don't know what the GS460's mileage will be, I'm guessing that it'll be close to the 430 since the engine is newer (better mileage probably) but has more horsepower (less mileage probably), which means they'll probably cancel each other out.
The difference between 19 mpg to 23 mpg will barely be noticable for most drivers.
2007 GS450h: 23
2007 GS350: 22
2007 GS430: 19
While we don't know what the GS460's mileage will be, I'm guessing that it'll be close to the 430 since the engine is newer (better mileage probably) but has more horsepower (less mileage probably), which means they'll probably cancel each other out.
The difference between 19 mpg to 23 mpg will barely be noticable for most drivers.
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At any given moment in time, there are a minimum of 25,000 commercial aircraft in the skies over the US alone (far more during daytime hours). 24 hours, 7 days a week...with no catalytic converters. They are pumping incredible quantities of combustion products DIRECTLY into the atmosphere...30,000 feet in the air. Why is no one concerned?
One volanic eruption (a natural occurance, mind you) pumps more combustion products and general filth into the air than all those airplanes. Why is no one concerned?
How many tons of combustion products are pumped into the atmosphere by commercial rocket launches that place all those satellites in orbit that you use to find your way to the gas station to fill up your "green" hybrid? Why is no one concerned?
Reducing CO2 emmissions by counting g/km of CO2 output is like trying to empty the ocean with an eyedropper. It's beyond silly.
Head in the sand...indeed!
One volanic eruption (a natural occurance, mind you) pumps more combustion products and general filth into the air than all those airplanes. Why is no one concerned?
How many tons of combustion products are pumped into the atmosphere by commercial rocket launches that place all those satellites in orbit that you use to find your way to the gas station to fill up your "green" hybrid? Why is no one concerned?
Reducing CO2 emmissions by counting g/km of CO2 output is like trying to empty the ocean with an eyedropper. It's beyond silly.
Head in the sand...indeed!