2009 GS450h - 40% bigger trunk????
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fuel economy with respect to what? i am sure if you get a 450h out there and drive very aggressively, you still get better gas mileage compared to most v8 out there.
so you can say it's a saving.
or on the other hand, you don't think the hybrid system as gas saving at all. it's just another mean for lexus to get power, just like bmw with turbo or older amg with superchargers. another source of power
so you can say it's a saving.
or on the other hand, you don't think the hybrid system as gas saving at all. it's just another mean for lexus to get power, just like bmw with turbo or older amg with superchargers. another source of power
Getting better fuel economy was just the gravy part of the deal.
I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to see more of the Lexus line up get some sort of hybrid enhanced driveline upgrade to boost "performance", both hp and mpg wise.
No other high line manufacture has anything to match Lexus in this part of the equation.
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i realize the instant torque of the electric motor in a hybrid may be used to 'boost' performance but the real point of a hybrid system is to disengage the gas engine during the times when it is least efficient, and save its power for when it's most efficient...the two never actually work in conjunction, its always one on and the other off. and while i understand your reasoning, i can't agree with your use of turbos and s/c's as synonyms of a hybrid system.
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i realize the instant torque of the electric motor in a hybrid may be used to 'boost' performance but the real point of a hybrid system is to disengage the gas engine during the times when it is least efficient, and save its power for when it's most efficient...the two never actually work in conjunction, its always one on and the other off. and while i understand your reasoning, i can't agree with your use of turbos and s/c's as synonyms of a hybrid system.
It all depends on the demographics the car was aimed at.
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i realize the instant torque of the electric motor in a hybrid may be used to 'boost' performance but the real point of a hybrid system is to disengage the gas engine during the times when it is least efficient, and save its power for when it's most efficient...the two never actually work in conjunction, its always one on and the other off. and while i understand your reasoning, i can't agree with your use of turbos and s/c's as synonyms of a hybrid system.
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i realize the instant torque of the electric motor in a hybrid may be used to 'boost' performance but the real point of a hybrid system is to disengage the gas engine during the times when it is least efficient, and save its power for when it's most efficient...the two never actually work in conjunction, its always one on and the other off. and while i understand your reasoning, i can't agree with your use of turbos and s/c's as synonyms of a hybrid system.
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my next questions would be
1) why 450h is faster than 350 with the same gas engine? (if only one engine can be on)
2) why 450h has higher power rating than 350? (when both engines don't have higher rating individually)
3) why in pwr mode the 450h is so different than normal mode? (it's still the same two engines working independently)
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he obviously never owns a hybrid before, both engines work together.
the most asked question
If I run out of gas, can I use electricity to drive the car?
No. Though Lexus hybrid technology allows the vehicle to operate on electric power at slow speeds when gasoline is in the tank, it is not designed to run without gasoline. Doing so could cause severe damage to the hybrid system, so drivers should be sure to keep gas in the tank at all times, just like a conventional vehicle.
the most asked question
If I run out of gas, can I use electricity to drive the car?
No. Though Lexus hybrid technology allows the vehicle to operate on electric power at slow speeds when gasoline is in the tank, it is not designed to run without gasoline. Doing so could cause severe damage to the hybrid system, so drivers should be sure to keep gas in the tank at all times, just like a conventional vehicle.
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I agree w/Spywolf. Its a known fact that under spirited driving, both the gas & electric engines are used in tandem. Its a major complaint of all the car rags that tested the 450h, on twisty winding roads where Bmws traditionally excel, the 450h holds its own for awhile until the battery pack is depleted . . .
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as far as i can tell from our ex-hybrid, the gas engine is almost always on, it only shuts off at stop light or what not and once you hit the gas, it comes to life
another reason why City MPG is always better than highway, while cruising at highway speed, it is always never off
another reason why City MPG is always better than highway, while cruising at highway speed, it is always never off
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as far as i can tell from our ex-hybrid, the gas engine is almost always on, it only shuts off at stop light or what not and once you hit the gas, it comes to life
another reason why City MPG is always better than highway, while cruising at highway speed, it is always never off
another reason why City MPG is always better than highway, while cruising at highway speed, it is always never off
i don't know about other cars, but i have tried on the 450h before. on local residential streets when cruising like 15-20mph, the gas engine was actually shut off for a while before suddenly kicking in
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^ I know that in the 2nd gen Prius, it's all battery power under moderate acceleration up to about 25mph. If you stomp on it or go over 25mph the gas engine kicks in seemlessly . . .
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I agree w/Spywolf. Its a known fact that under spirited driving, both the gas & electric engines are used in tandem. Its a major complaint of all the car rags that tested the 450h, on twisty winding roads where Bmws traditionally excel, the 450h holds its own for awhile until the battery pack is depleted . . .
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It's still impressive that Lexus pulled it off, but it's still a "1.0" type of technology.
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^^ doubtful, the battery is charged whenever you brake, I really doubt there will be a time where the battery could run out of juice as long as the gas engine is operational
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