NOT waiting for the 2013 GS 450h anymore
09-08-11, 01:10 PM
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NOT waiting for the 2013 GS 450h anymore
I was kind of excited about the 2013 GS 450h for awhile, though my excitement has been dampened by the news that it will likely have a largely similar power plant as my 2007 GS 450h.
Well, I'm waiting no more. I leased a 2012 Infiniti M35h last weekend. This car is very similar to the GS 450h in terms of power, features, fuel economy, etc. One huge difference is price. On the surface, when you look at MSRPs, the M seems to be just a bit cheaper than the Lexus, but the real differences will blow your mind.
My zero-down lease for 36 months and 12K miles a year for the M35h with Premium package (navigation and upgraded stereo) is $553 a month. For those of you who have leased, would know immediately that this is $300 - $400 less than a comparable GS 450h lease is going to be. There are two reasons for that:
1. Purchase price for my $59K MSRP M35h was $52,800 - $1,500 under invoice. Quite shocking for a car that's been out for only two months. Nevertheless, the price is real and available to anyone through Zag.com. Just enter zipcode 22102 and it will come up. The dealer is the Infiniti of Tysons Corner.
Similarly configured 2011 GS 450h best price I've seen is $60K. I expect the actual prices for the 2013 model to be higher because it will not be discounted as much.
2. Infiniti is now using inflated subsidized residuals similar to BMW's. My residual is 61% whereas 2011 GS residuals are in the 53-55% range.
I also took advantage of the multiple security deposit feature to reduce my money factor by 60%.
So if you are waiting for the new GS hybrid, you may want to give the M hybrid a close look.
Well, I'm waiting no more. I leased a 2012 Infiniti M35h last weekend. This car is very similar to the GS 450h in terms of power, features, fuel economy, etc. One huge difference is price. On the surface, when you look at MSRPs, the M seems to be just a bit cheaper than the Lexus, but the real differences will blow your mind.
My zero-down lease for 36 months and 12K miles a year for the M35h with Premium package (navigation and upgraded stereo) is $553 a month. For those of you who have leased, would know immediately that this is $300 - $400 less than a comparable GS 450h lease is going to be. There are two reasons for that:
1. Purchase price for my $59K MSRP M35h was $52,800 - $1,500 under invoice. Quite shocking for a car that's been out for only two months. Nevertheless, the price is real and available to anyone through Zag.com. Just enter zipcode 22102 and it will come up. The dealer is the Infiniti of Tysons Corner.
Similarly configured 2011 GS 450h best price I've seen is $60K. I expect the actual prices for the 2013 model to be higher because it will not be discounted as much.
2. Infiniti is now using inflated subsidized residuals similar to BMW's. My residual is 61% whereas 2011 GS residuals are in the 53-55% range.
I also took advantage of the multiple security deposit feature to reduce my money factor by 60%.
So if you are waiting for the new GS hybrid, you may want to give the M hybrid a close look.
09-08-11, 04:15 PM
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I'm not impressed with Infiniti build quality, that being said you did get a good lease deal but if you just held off a few more days, you would've known more more in detail about the new GS450h.
Besides, driving a Lexus is just on another level than driving Infiniti.
Besides, driving a Lexus is just on another level than driving Infiniti.
09-08-11, 06:22 PM
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Modeler sorry to see you leave the GSh,I've really enjoyed your posts over the years. Your post is how Infiniti sells the little volume they do, cheapo leases. It makes me question do people buy the car b/c they feel its better or just b/c they got a great payment. Great for the consumer I guess but how sustainable is it for a luxury brand? I think you are the first online to purchase, the car sadly has no buzz. The ratings seem promising and I welcome another luxury hybrid to the fold but I'm unsure about the tech from a brand who's CEO blatantly hated hybrids just a few years ago. I know the Lexus tech is proven, I hope the Nissan tech holds up and does well. Competition is good.
I've driven the M56S and its nice but it rode horrid, the squiggly lines all over made me dizzy and it didn't feel worth the money. Then it shares its platform with the 370Z, it just didn't feel special but just a big bigger Z which some people like and are fine with. Different strokes for different folks.
I look forward to your write-ups in the future on your new car and thanks for being one of the first here with a GS 450h.
I've driven the M56S and its nice but it rode horrid, the squiggly lines all over made me dizzy and it didn't feel worth the money. Then it shares its platform with the 370Z, it just didn't feel special but just a big bigger Z which some people like and are fine with. Different strokes for different folks.
I look forward to your write-ups in the future on your new car and thanks for being one of the first here with a GS 450h.
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09-08-11, 06:53 PM
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I lease my car, and at those lease deals I'd probably make the move back to an M as well. But I'd probably try to get into an M56. I hear there are some smoking deals on them.
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09-09-11, 06:56 AM
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I just didn't see the point of waiting. I already knew how the car would look, and I know what the price is likely to be. So there was absolutely nothing that Lexus could reveal about the powerplant changes that could possibly be worth spending extra $10,000 or more on the GS 450h over M35h.
09-09-11, 07:03 AM
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1SICKLEX, thank you for the kind words.
I must say I'm surprised about the perception some of the posters seem to have about the M. It has been a top or #2 car in a number of auto magazine comparisons over the last several years, and is universally considered to be a better handling car than the GS. Personally, though I love my 2007 GS 450h, I have always wished for sportier handling, and have frequently considered getting a BMW 550i or M45 / M56. Before I discovered GS450h at the end of 2006, I was all ready to buy M45. But the promise of HOV exemption and V8 power with V6 mileage won over at the time. Now, I finally can select M and not sacrifice the HOV exemption or mileage.
I feel the design of the new M is beautiful inside and out, and is very much comparable to what I have seen of the 2013 GS. I do realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I don't expect consensus on the question of looks.
I must say I'm surprised about the perception some of the posters seem to have about the M. It has been a top or #2 car in a number of auto magazine comparisons over the last several years, and is universally considered to be a better handling car than the GS. Personally, though I love my 2007 GS 450h, I have always wished for sportier handling, and have frequently considered getting a BMW 550i or M45 / M56. Before I discovered GS450h at the end of 2006, I was all ready to buy M45. But the promise of HOV exemption and V8 power with V6 mileage won over at the time. Now, I finally can select M and not sacrifice the HOV exemption or mileage.
I feel the design of the new M is beautiful inside and out, and is very much comparable to what I have seen of the 2013 GS. I do realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I don't expect consensus on the question of looks.
09-10-11, 07:13 PM
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I was kind of excited about the 2013 GS 450h for awhile, though my excitement has been dampened by the news that it will likely have a largely similar power plant as my 2007 GS 450h.
Well, I'm waiting no more. I leased a 2012 Infiniti M35h last weekend. This car is very similar to the GS 450h in terms of power, features, fuel economy, etc. One huge difference is price. On the surface, when you look at MSRPs, the M seems to be just a bit cheaper than the Lexus, but the real differences will blow your mind.
My zero-down lease for 36 months and 12K miles a year for the M35h with Premium package (navigation and upgraded stereo) is $553 a month. For those of you who have leased, would know immediately that this is $300 - $400 less than a comparable GS 450h lease is going to be. There are two reasons for that:
1. Purchase price for my $59K MSRP M35h was $52,800 - $1,500 under invoice. Quite shocking for a car that's been out for only two months. Nevertheless, the price is real and available to anyone through Zag.com. Just enter zipcode 22102 and it will come up. The dealer is the Infiniti of Tysons Corner.
Similarly configured 2011 GS 450h best price I've seen is $60K. I expect the actual prices for the 2013 model to be higher because it will not be discounted as much.
2. Infiniti is now using inflated subsidized residuals similar to BMW's. My residual is 61% whereas 2011 GS residuals are in the 53-55% range.
I also took advantage of the multiple security deposit feature to reduce my money factor by 60%.
So if you are waiting for the new GS hybrid, you may want to give the M hybrid a close look.
Well, I'm waiting no more. I leased a 2012 Infiniti M35h last weekend. This car is very similar to the GS 450h in terms of power, features, fuel economy, etc. One huge difference is price. On the surface, when you look at MSRPs, the M seems to be just a bit cheaper than the Lexus, but the real differences will blow your mind.
My zero-down lease for 36 months and 12K miles a year for the M35h with Premium package (navigation and upgraded stereo) is $553 a month. For those of you who have leased, would know immediately that this is $300 - $400 less than a comparable GS 450h lease is going to be. There are two reasons for that:
1. Purchase price for my $59K MSRP M35h was $52,800 - $1,500 under invoice. Quite shocking for a car that's been out for only two months. Nevertheless, the price is real and available to anyone through Zag.com. Just enter zipcode 22102 and it will come up. The dealer is the Infiniti of Tysons Corner.
Similarly configured 2011 GS 450h best price I've seen is $60K. I expect the actual prices for the 2013 model to be higher because it will not be discounted as much.
2. Infiniti is now using inflated subsidized residuals similar to BMW's. My residual is 61% whereas 2011 GS residuals are in the 53-55% range.
I also took advantage of the multiple security deposit feature to reduce my money factor by 60%.
So if you are waiting for the new GS hybrid, you may want to give the M hybrid a close look.
09-11-11, 03:14 AM
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Would you please tell us what level is that?
09-11-11, 08:04 AM
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My biggest issue is the look of the new M. I can't warm up to it. The other concern would be the unproven aspect of Infiniti hybrid technology. Other than that it sounds like a smoking deal for you OP.
09-11-11, 10:12 AM
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I was kind of excited about the 2013 GS 450h for awhile, though my excitement has been dampened by the news that it will likely have a largely similar power plant as my 2007 GS 450h.
Well, I'm waiting no more. I leased a 2012 Infiniti M35h last weekend. This car is very similar to the GS 450h in terms of power, features, fuel economy, etc. One huge difference is price. On the surface, when you look at MSRPs, the M seems to be just a bit cheaper than the Lexus, but the real differences will blow your mind.
My zero-down lease for 36 months and 12K miles a year for the M35h with Premium package (navigation and upgraded stereo) is $553 a month. For those of you who have leased, would know immediately that this is $300 - $400 less than a comparable GS 450h lease is going to be. There are two reasons for that:
1. Purchase price for my $59K MSRP M35h was $52,800 - $1,500 under invoice. Quite shocking for a car that's been out for only two months. Nevertheless, the price is real and available to anyone through Zag.com. Just enter zipcode 22102 and it will come up. The dealer is the Infiniti of Tysons Corner.
Similarly configured 2011 GS 450h best price I've seen is $60K. I expect the actual prices for the 2013 model to be higher because it will not be discounted as much.
2. Infiniti is now using inflated subsidized residuals similar to BMW's. My residual is 61% whereas 2011 GS residuals are in the 53-55% range.
I also took advantage of the multiple security deposit feature to reduce my money factor by 60%.
So if you are waiting for the new GS hybrid, you may want to give the M hybrid a close look.
Well, I'm waiting no more. I leased a 2012 Infiniti M35h last weekend. This car is very similar to the GS 450h in terms of power, features, fuel economy, etc. One huge difference is price. On the surface, when you look at MSRPs, the M seems to be just a bit cheaper than the Lexus, but the real differences will blow your mind.
My zero-down lease for 36 months and 12K miles a year for the M35h with Premium package (navigation and upgraded stereo) is $553 a month. For those of you who have leased, would know immediately that this is $300 - $400 less than a comparable GS 450h lease is going to be. There are two reasons for that:
1. Purchase price for my $59K MSRP M35h was $52,800 - $1,500 under invoice. Quite shocking for a car that's been out for only two months. Nevertheless, the price is real and available to anyone through Zag.com. Just enter zipcode 22102 and it will come up. The dealer is the Infiniti of Tysons Corner.
Similarly configured 2011 GS 450h best price I've seen is $60K. I expect the actual prices for the 2013 model to be higher because it will not be discounted as much.
2. Infiniti is now using inflated subsidized residuals similar to BMW's. My residual is 61% whereas 2011 GS residuals are in the 53-55% range.
I also took advantage of the multiple security deposit feature to reduce my money factor by 60%.
So if you are waiting for the new GS hybrid, you may want to give the M hybrid a close look.
09-11-11, 04:28 PM
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It's hard to tell about the power since the feel of this car with conventional transmission is very different from the CVT on the 450h. I liked having CVT better, but I'm sure I'll get used to the normal transmission again. The M is certainly no less powerful than 450h. I doubt if it is noticeably more powerful. One big difference is in the engine noise. The M's growl is WAY more pleasant than the sound of the gas engine in the 450h under full throttle. It's a deep sporty growl that does not sound strained.
The throttle and break pedals are more touchy, but I'm already getting used to that.
09-11-11, 07:28 PM
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congrats on the new car,,personally dont care for M's. like the G's tho. in the process of selling my GS350 right now and looking everywhere for my next car. pretty sure GS will update their engines by second year but i gotta get rid of my car before new one comes out in feb.