IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013) Discussion about the 2006+ model IS models

does the new is250 get the paddle shaft like the is350?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-26-05 | 10:46 AM
  #1  
candyman99's Avatar
candyman99
Thread Starter
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: ny
Default does the new is250 get the paddle shaft like the is350?

im just wondering, caz i notice the 325i is not offering the paddle shaft, only the 330i got them. and im planning on getting a is250awd, im just wondering if they got them. anyone know, thanks
Old 03-26-05 | 11:08 AM
  #2  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 19,963
Likes: 176
Default

IS250 gets MMT, while IS350 gets automatic transmission. MMT is an robotized, clutchless manual transmission, it should have shifting paddles behind the wheel.
Old 03-26-05 | 12:08 PM
  #3  
1Violinist's Avatar
1Violinist
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
From: CA
Default

Originally Posted by spwolf
IS250 gets MMT, while IS350 gets automatic transmission. MMT is an robotized, clutchless manual transmission, it should have shifting paddles behind the wheel.
Actually, it's SMT (Sequential Manual Transmission), and it does have a clutch but it's computer-operated rather than the regular third pedal.
Old 03-26-05 | 12:30 PM
  #4  
Gojirra99's Avatar
Gojirra99
Super Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,120
Likes: 231
From: Canada
Default

It's getting a little confusing, I think someone mentioned that the press release is not entirely accurate & the IS250 will get a regular manual with clutch ? which BTW is what I think it will be.
Old 03-26-05 | 12:54 PM
  #5  
NeverSatisfied's Avatar
NeverSatisfied
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,384
Likes: 0
From: 808
Default

I'm wondering if this new SMT is carried over from the first gen IS (in manual mode, if you didn't upshift, it would do it for you anyway). Or is it like the Prelude's (you had to upshift, if not you'd be in first forever)?
Old 03-26-05 | 12:58 PM
  #6  
TED_FR's Avatar
TED_FR
Driver
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
From: France
Default Manual 6 with clutch pedal

Both IS220D & IS250 will get as standard transmission a 6 speed manual with clutch. You can see on the pics from geneva, the stick ans the three pedals.

Optionnal on the IS250 and standard on the IS350 will be the 6 speed automatic transmission which can be operated via the paddles or the stick Push for upper gears and pull for lower gears.
Old 03-26-05 | 01:03 PM
  #7  
Gojirra99's Avatar
Gojirra99
Super Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,120
Likes: 231
From: Canada
Default

Originally Posted by TED_FR
Both IS220D & IS250 will get as standard transmission a 6 speed manual with clutch. You can see on the pics from geneva, the stick ans the three pedals.

Optionnal on the IS250 and standard on the IS350 will be the 6 speed automatic transmission which can be operated via the paddles or the stick Push for upper gears and pull for lower gears.
I think you are correct
Old 03-26-05 | 05:30 PM
  #8  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 19,963
Likes: 176
Default

Originally Posted by 1Violinist
Actually, it's SMT (Sequential Manual Transmission), and it does have a clutch but it's computer-operated rather than the regular third pedal.
Eh, I dont know if press release was right or not, thats what it said. It would make more sense if it was real manual.

As to the SMT - no, it would be MMT - MultimodeManualTransmission. SMT is slightly older system which does not have an "automatic" mode, while new MMT (now "widely" used in European Toyota's) does.

Old IS300 was just an auto.
Old 03-26-05 | 10:18 PM
  #9  
1Violinist's Avatar
1Violinist
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
From: CA
Default European vs. US

Originally Posted by TED_FR
Both IS220D & IS250 will get as standard transmission a 6 speed manual with clutch. You can see on the pics from geneva, the stick ans the three pedals.

Optionnal on the IS250 and standard on the IS350 will be the 6 speed automatic transmission which can be operated via the paddles or the stick Push for upper gears and pull for lower gears.
Remember that European models are usually different from what we get in North America!
Old 03-26-05 | 10:23 PM
  #10  
1Violinist's Avatar
1Violinist
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
From: CA
Default MMT vs. SMT

Originally Posted by spwolf
Eh, I dont know if press release was right or not, thats what it said. It would make more sense if it was real manual.

As to the SMT - no, it would be MMT - MultimodeManualTransmission. SMT is slightly older system which does not have an "automatic" mode, while new MMT (now "widely" used in European Toyota's) does.

Old IS300 was just an auto.
Thank you for the info. I guess it's good to have an "automatic" mode just in case. So, this is similar to the tranny type offered on BMW / Ferrari cars?
Old 03-27-05 | 08:56 AM
  #11  
flipside909's Avatar
flipside909
Lexus Connoisseur
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 19,802
Likes: 534
From: USA
Default

]Yeah there is an editing error because their stats show otherwise. Standard
tranny in the new IS250 is a 6spd MANUAL. The 6spd sequential shift AUTO is optional.


Should have said, "Standard in the IS 250, a new 6-speed manual transmission is designed to take full advantage of its free-revving V6 engine".

Old 03-28-05 | 05:43 AM
  #12  
iatacs19's Avatar
iatacs19
Rookie
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
From: VA
Default

wait a second....

can we define some terms first?

SMT:

MMT:

SMG: true manual transmission, clutch controlled by computer. (BMW, Ferrari)


I am getting confused....

What I thought Lexus was doing:

IS250 auto or standard
IS350 auto

and by auto, I mean regular automatic with planetary gears and torque converters, not BMW true-clutch auto (SMG), right?? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Old 03-28-05 | 08:49 AM
  #13  
flipside909's Avatar
flipside909
Lexus Connoisseur
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 19,802
Likes: 534
From: USA
Default

Originally Posted by iatacs19

and by auto, I mean regular automatic with planetary gears and torque converters, not BMW true-clutch auto (SMG), right??
That is correct.
Old 03-28-05 | 09:13 AM
  #14  
rominl's Avatar
rominl
exclusive matchup
CL Folding 10,000
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 81,674
Likes: 196
From: Lovely OC
Default

just to clarify, the system on ferrari i don't think they call it smg?
Old 03-28-05 | 11:14 AM
  #15  
1Violinist's Avatar
1Violinist
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
From: CA
Default IS trannies

I guess there has been some confusion about IS trannies. The updated info is:

IS250 RWD: Standard, 6-spd manual (with a clutch pedal)
Optional, 6-spd automatic (with shift paddle mode)

IS250 AWD: Standard, 6-spd automatic (with shift paddle mode)

IS350 RWD: Standard, 6-spd automatic (with shift paddle mode)

Check this link for more info:

http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=52376



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:29 AM.