250 Power Concerns
#1
Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NJ
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Recently I put a $1000 deposit down on the IS250 AWD, and now I'm having some concerns about the engine. I've been reading the horsepower is expect to be 201, and at a weight of 3600 lbs, its not going to be too light either. I love everything about the IS, and would gladly go for the 350, except for the RWD, which would be a horror in the weather where I live. If only they made a AWD 350.....
Anyone else having my concerns? And is there a possibility in an increase in power for 2007?
isdsms
Anyone else having my concerns? And is there a possibility in an increase in power for 2007?
isdsms
#2
Guest
Posts: n/a
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by isdsms
Recently I put a $1000 deposit down on the IS250 AWD, and now I'm having some concerns about the engine. I've been reading the horsepower is expect to be 201, and at a weight of 3600 lbs, its not going to be too light either. I love everything about the IS, and would gladly go for the 350, except for the RWD, which would be a horror in the weather where I live. If only they made a AWD 350.....
Anyone else having my concerns? And is there a possibility in an increase in power for 2007?
isdsms
Anyone else having my concerns? And is there a possibility in an increase in power for 2007?
isdsms
2. Its just hard to come to any conclusion without anyone driving it yet. 201hp could be fine since it will have 6 speeds, dual VVTi and direct injection. Fine as in adequate. I don't expect ANY 200hp car to be fast unless its the 1800lbs Lotus Elise. 0-60mph in the low 7s (my estimate) is no slouch, just not super quick like it was 10 years ago.
On the other hand, members have stated with the VDIM in the cars, RWD is fine in the snow.
#4
Driver School Candidate
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Socal
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
1. There won't be an increase in power anytime soon since its an all new engine.
![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
#5
Guest
Posts: n/a
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by biggiejimz
are you sure about this? i was hoping that lexus would re-introduce the IS300 with maybe the engine from the gs300. like a delayed intro to keep the brand fresh (same with the 6mt is350...we ALL know there is going to be one but we just dont know when
). A 245hp Is300 would fit quite nice between the 202hp 250 and the 310hp 350... unless the is250 makes 220hp like some articles state then it dont make much sense. i dont know but i dont think lexus would let the IS300 name just disappear. too much to lose with the name. like BMW and theyre worries with the m3/4 series name.
![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
So I do agree that it maybe possible the IS 300 comes back with the 245hp engine.
#6
Driver School Candidate
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
1. There won't be an increase in power anytime soon since its an all new engine.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
2. Its just hard to come to any conclusion without anyone driving it yet. 201hp could be fine since it will have 6 speeds, dual VVTi and direct injection. Fine as in adequate. I don't expect ANY 200hp car to be fast unless its the 1800lbs Lotus Elise. 0-60mph in the low 7s (my estimate) is no slouch, just not super quick like it was 10 years ago.
#7
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
there is no real reason for 250 to be changed soon, so I doubt it. As long as there is no huge difference in pricing between IS250 and IS350, there most likely wont be IS300. If Lexus wanted to include IS300 in the offer, then they would have done so from starts.
As if IS250 will feel powerful enough - sure. In fact, I am sure for most of the people, it will be just fine.
But, as you might now, we are never happy... First people moan why is there GS300 (and not 350), then other people complain why isnt there IS300... you can simply never make everyone happy!
As if IS250 will feel powerful enough - sure. In fact, I am sure for most of the people, it will be just fine.
But, as you might now, we are never happy... First people moan why is there GS300 (and not 350), then other people complain why isnt there IS300... you can simply never make everyone happy!
Trending Topics
#8
Super Moderator
![](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/ranks/rank-smod2.gif)
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
The IS250 may only have 201 hp, but max. torque is at 184 lb.ft, which is just one lb.ft. less than the 3.0 litre 325i. Torque is more relevent for acceleration in vast majority of driving, so I'm sure the IS250 will perform very adequately.
#9
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I must be from the old school. I would never put a deposit down on a car that I have not even driven yet. That goes for any make or model, to me that is just telling the dealer I want this car & it doesn't matter what it's like to drive, I want it no matter the cost.
Just my thoughts. I realize some must have it first that's important for some but to me it's more important to drive it & then make a decision. Sometimes I will even drive it more than once or twice to be sure. I want to make the right decision the first time.
That said, I'm sure this car won't be underpowered. Would Lexus really put something like that out? They have to keep up with the competition in this segment. You can't always go by numbers.
Just my thoughts. I realize some must have it first that's important for some but to me it's more important to drive it & then make a decision. Sometimes I will even drive it more than once or twice to be sure. I want to make the right decision the first time.
That said, I'm sure this car won't be underpowered. Would Lexus really put something like that out? They have to keep up with the competition in this segment. You can't always go by numbers.
#10
Super Moderator
![](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/ranks/rank-smod2.gif)
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think the advantage of putting down a deposit is that they are fully refundable. When test drives become available, if after you' ve driven it & don't like it or can't agree on the price, you can get your deposit back, if you want the car, you won't have to wait & will be one of the first to get it.
#11
Driver School Candidate
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by AmethySC
The IS250 may only have 201 hp, but max. torque is at 184 lb.ft, which is just one lb.ft. less than the 3.0 litre 325i. Torque is more relevent for acceleration in vast majority of driving, so I'm sure the IS250 will perform very adequately.
Unless driving around at over 160 mph is a priority, torque is all that matters, and how flat the torque band is is more important than peak values.
From what I have seen, the IS250 engine has a really flat torque curve with good values from low revs. This makes for a great, responsive car. Forget the peak horsepower numbers. They are irrelevent for (mostly) law abiding citizens.
#12
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by spwolf
there is no real reason for 250 to be changed soon, so I doubt it. As long as there is no huge difference in pricing between IS250 and IS350, there most likely wont be IS300. If Lexus wanted to include IS300 in the offer, then they would have done so from starts.
As if IS250 will feel powerful enough - sure. In fact, I am sure for most of the people, it will be just fine.
But, as you might now, we are never happy... First people moan why is there GS300 (and not 350), then other people complain why isnt there IS300... you can simply never make everyone happy!
As if IS250 will feel powerful enough - sure. In fact, I am sure for most of the people, it will be just fine.
But, as you might now, we are never happy... First people moan why is there GS300 (and not 350), then other people complain why isnt there IS300... you can simply never make everyone happy!
Considering the timing of the intro of the IS250, I don't see the IS300 coming out in 06 as an 07 MY but certainly the year after.
#13
Driver School Candidate
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: ri
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
are we sure that the 250 is only going to have 201 hp??
it seems as though there were some articles suggesting that it may be closer to 220 hp?????
it seems as though there were some articles suggesting that it may be closer to 220 hp?????
Last edited by meagle; 07-04-05 at 08:48 AM. Reason: made mistake in post
#14
Lexus Test Driver
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: None
Posts: 1,169
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Well, I may be in the minority, but I do think the IS250 AWD may feel too sluggish for you. The fact that you're concerned enough to post about it suggests to me that you like some power in your cars. People who really don't care about such things won't let it even enter in their head.
I don't think the 3651 lb. IS250 AWD w/ 201 hp will do 0 to 60 in the low 7's. More like low 8's is my estimate. Fine for most, but definitely will feel sluggish to those who're used to some power.
For reference, the 3759 lb. GS300 AWD w/ 245 hp went 0 to 60 in 7.2s in Motortrend's test.
I don't think the 3651 lb. IS250 AWD w/ 201 hp will do 0 to 60 in the low 7's. More like low 8's is my estimate. Fine for most, but definitely will feel sluggish to those who're used to some power.
For reference, the 3759 lb. GS300 AWD w/ 245 hp went 0 to 60 in 7.2s in Motortrend's test.
#15
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I have a celica alltrac that shares the same drive line as my turbo MR2. The alltrac is heavier and has more drive line loss being AWD. They are both fun cars but the alltrac is noticably slower that the MR2.
Arent most HP ratings that are released by the mfg the ratings at the flywheel and not the rear wheels?
-Gabe
Arent most HP ratings that are released by the mfg the ratings at the flywheel and not the rear wheels?
-Gabe