Oct Car & Driver Comparison (0-60 in 5.1 seconds)#1 330, #2 IS 350// Scans pg 6
08-31-05, 04:55 PM
#151
Originally Posted by Legends6spd
This seems like great news for Lexus fans if it is true - if the C&D model isn't a superfreak of some sort.
I hate to splash cold water on a hot fire but let's examine how feasible a 5.1 0-60 really is for a 300hp automatic.
if you look at HP vs Weight of the IS350, the Lexus 5.6 sounds much more likely. If the car can really do a 5.1 w/ an automatic, imagine would what happen with a 6spd? It would take off another 0.4-0.5 off which would put it in 4.6-4.7 range. That is FASTER than a 333hp E46 M3. And that not to bring up the fact BMW hp ratings are undervalued since they transmission and power to the wheels are much more efficient than japanese cars w/ the same HP rating at the crank.
In another words. 5.1 0-60 is not likely to hold up w/ consistent testing. Sorry for being a pessemist but it would almost seem as if Lexus would defy physics to get that kinda #.
I hate to splash cold water on a hot fire but let's examine how feasible a 5.1 0-60 really is for a 300hp automatic.
if you look at HP vs Weight of the IS350, the Lexus 5.6 sounds much more likely. If the car can really do a 5.1 w/ an automatic, imagine would what happen with a 6spd? It would take off another 0.4-0.5 off which would put it in 4.6-4.7 range. That is FASTER than a 333hp E46 M3. And that not to bring up the fact BMW hp ratings are undervalued since they transmission and power to the wheels are much more efficient than japanese cars w/ the same HP rating at the crank.
In another words. 5.1 0-60 is not likely to hold up w/ consistent testing. Sorry for being a pessemist but it would almost seem as if Lexus would defy physics to get that kinda #.
We have facts and you are posting opinions.
I am glad BMW is so superior. I think all IS drivers should wave when they pass BMW drivers in their superior cars with super duper undervalued ratings.
08-31-05, 05:01 PM
#152
either way.. the is350 beats the 330i in majority of the categories. unlike the incompetent editors/test drivers at c&d, i know how to comprehend and do math. i wasn't surprised that they rated bmw #1, cause that's how all their cars are rated.. even if they break down. 
08-31-05, 05:03 PM
#153
Originally Posted by chiawei
No.
BMW quality is the best among the german car maker. And has been steadily improving. Although not as good as toyota/lexus. It's latest quality ranking is just behind honda/acura.
BMW quality is the best among the german car maker. And has been steadily improving. Although not as good as toyota/lexus. It's latest quality ranking is just behind honda/acura.
Plus, Hyundai has the best quality among Korean automakers. However that's not exactly a reason to throw celebration parties.
08-31-05, 05:09 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by GlobeCLK
Isn't that Porsche?
Plus, Hyundai has the best quality among Korean automakers. However that's not exactly a reason to throw celebration parties.
Plus, Hyundai has the best quality among Korean automakers. However that's not exactly a reason to throw celebration parties.
I just thought about it, this time SHOULD NOT be that hard to believe. They got a 6 seconds FLAT with this same engine with 26 less HP in the HEAVIER Avalon..
It makes sense now.
08-31-05, 05:33 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I just thought about it, this time SHOULD NOT be that hard to believe. They got a 6 seconds FLAT with this same engine with 26 less HP in the HEAVIER Avalon..
It makes sense now.
It makes sense now.
Avalon - 268 hp @ 6200 rpm, 248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm, 5 speed auto, cd=0.291, curb wt.=3545 lb.(touring model)
IS350 - 306 hp@6400 rpm, 277 lb.ft. @4800 rpm, 6 speed auto w/paddle, cd=0.28, curb wt.=3527 lb.
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08-31-05, 06:49 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
38 hp less & 29 lb.ft. less torque under new SAE :
Avalon - 268 hp @ 6200 rpm, 248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm, 5 speed auto, cd=0.291, curb wt.=3545 lb.(touring model)
IS350 - 306 hp@6400 rpm, 277 lb.ft. @4800 rpm, 6 speed auto w/paddle, cd=0.28, curb wt.=3527 lb.
Avalon - 268 hp @ 6200 rpm, 248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm, 5 speed auto, cd=0.291, curb wt.=3545 lb.(touring model)
IS350 - 306 hp@6400 rpm, 277 lb.ft. @4800 rpm, 6 speed auto w/paddle, cd=0.28, curb wt.=3527 lb.
08-31-05, 07:11 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
38 hp less & 29 lb.ft. less torque under new SAE :
Avalon - 268 hp @ 6200 rpm, 248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm, 5 speed auto, cd=0.291, curb wt.=3545 lb.(touring model)
IS350 - 306 hp@6400 rpm, 277 lb.ft. @4800 rpm, 6 speed auto w/paddle, cd=0.28, curb wt.=3527 lb.
Avalon - 268 hp @ 6200 rpm, 248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm, 5 speed auto, cd=0.291, curb wt.=3545 lb.(touring model)
IS350 - 306 hp@6400 rpm, 277 lb.ft. @4800 rpm, 6 speed auto w/paddle, cd=0.28, curb wt.=3527 lb.
Impressive power comparison though, that extra 38 makes a huge difference, not to mention the 6 speed tranny
08-31-05, 08:52 PM
#159
Originally Posted by Legends6spd
This seems like great news for Lexus fans if it is true - if the C&D model isn't a superfreak of some sort.
I hate to splash cold water on a hot fire but let's examine how feasible a 5.1 0-60 really is for a 300hp automatic.
if you look at HP vs Weight of the IS350, the Lexus 5.6 sounds much more likely. If the car can really do a 5.1 w/ an automatic, imagine would what happen with a 6spd? It would take off another 0.4-0.5 off which would put it in 4.6-4.7 range. That is FASTER than a 333hp E46 M3. And that not to bring up the fact BMW hp ratings are undervalued since they transmission and power to the wheels are much more efficient than japanese cars w/ the same HP rating at the crank.
In another words. 5.1 0-60 is not likely to hold up w/ consistent testing. Sorry for being a pessemist but it would almost seem as if Lexus would defy physics to get that kinda #.
I hate to splash cold water on a hot fire but let's examine how feasible a 5.1 0-60 really is for a 300hp automatic.
if you look at HP vs Weight of the IS350, the Lexus 5.6 sounds much more likely. If the car can really do a 5.1 w/ an automatic, imagine would what happen with a 6spd? It would take off another 0.4-0.5 off which would put it in 4.6-4.7 range. That is FASTER than a 333hp E46 M3. And that not to bring up the fact BMW hp ratings are undervalued since they transmission and power to the wheels are much more efficient than japanese cars w/ the same HP rating at the crank.
In another words. 5.1 0-60 is not likely to hold up w/ consistent testing. Sorry for being a pessemist but it would almost seem as if Lexus would defy physics to get that kinda #.
My slightly modded GS with the LSD rear, TC and valve body mod, has run a 5.2, 0 - 60 and it dynoed at 250 rwhp. I'm an engineer and work hard to make sure any data I post is consistent and reliable data. No need to defy physics here. The numbers are plausible.
09-01-05, 12:37 AM
#161
Originally Posted by RMMGS4
My slightly modded GS with the LSD rear, TC and valve body mod, has run a 5.2, 0 - 60 and it dynoed at 250 rwhp. I'm an engineer and work hard to make sure any data I post is consistent and reliable data. No need to defy physics here. The numbers are plausible.
the m3 ONLY has 333hp, but they do 4.6sec. tell me how
09-01-05, 01:54 AM
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Yes, it is true that the M3 has 333hp, but isn't that with the old SAE ratings. If you adjust the M3 hp ratings to follow the new standard, then the hp gap between the IS350 and the M3 will be much smaller.
09-01-05, 05:55 AM
#163
Originally Posted by maz
Yes, it is true that the M3 has 333hp, but isn't that with the old SAE ratings. If you adjust the M3 hp ratings to follow the new standard, then the hp gap between the IS350 and the M3 will be much smaller.
:-).
Not only that, BUT EVERYONE except US mags have bashed new 3.0i engine as slowest in the class. UK and German mags when doing comparos with C350 and even A4 3.2FSI called the engine dissapointing.
09-01-05, 06:16 AM
#165
Originally Posted by AmethySC
Not sure M3 hp will necessarily be affected with the new SAE rating though 
I do agree that the IS350 's performance does not defy physics.
I do agree that the IS350 's performance does not defy physics.
New M3 should be brutal and straight out kill everything else in the same class. But at the same time, it is one class higher than IS350 and should not be compared to it. Maybe next ISh will have something to match its power...