Oct Car & Driver Comparison (0-60 in 5.1 seconds)#1 330, #2 IS 350// Scans pg 6
09-01-05, 09:14 AM
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WOW! 5.1...that's quick! C&D do like to invoke a lot of punishment to the car on launches to get low numbers (but since this is an automatic, all you can do is brake torque). If the forthcoming 6-spd will break the 5-sec barrier, I'm in!
09-01-05, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rominl
plus, stuff like tq converter and gear ratio, they don't really show on the dyno curve. so much stuff that will affect the speed....
the m3 ONLY has 333hp, but they do 4.6sec. tell me how
the m3 ONLY has 333hp, but they do 4.6sec. tell me how
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ?
There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
09-01-05, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
M3's 3.2-liter power ratings are 333 hp at 7,900 rpm and 262 lb-ft of torque at 4,900 rpm., that's lower torque than IS350's 277.
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ? There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.
We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ?
There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
09-01-05, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
Hey Lexus, where is my GS 460???
09-01-05, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
M3's 3.2-liter power ratings are 333 hp at 7,900 rpm and 262 lb-ft of torque at 4,900 rpm., that's lower torque than IS350's 277.
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ? There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.
We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ?
There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
09-01-05, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
well, to be fair, old gen M3 is an awesome car but it is... old. Performance that was once awesome is now almost matched with 10k cheaper car.
New M3 should be brutal and straight out kill everything else in the same class. But at the same time, it is one class higher than IS350 and should not be compared to it. Maybe next ISh will have something to match its power...
New M3 should be brutal and straight out kill everything else in the same class. But at the same time, it is one class higher than IS350 and should not be compared to it. Maybe next ISh will have something to match its power...
09-01-05, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bluestar
The Lexus response to the next M3 is the 400HP IS500. Due here by MY2007/08-ish...
09-01-05, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
well, to be fair, old gen M3 is an awesome car but it is... old. Performance that was once awesome is now almost matched with 10k cheaper car.
New M3 should be brutal and straight out kill everything else in the same class. But at the same time, it is one class higher than IS350 and should not be compared to it. Maybe next ISh will have something to match its power...
New M3 should be brutal and straight out kill everything else in the same class. But at the same time, it is one class higher than IS350 and should not be compared to it. Maybe next ISh will have something to match its power...
09-01-05, 01:09 PM
#175
Originally Posted by AmethySC
M3's 3.2-liter power ratings are 333 hp at 7,900 rpm and 262 lb-ft of torque at 4,900 rpm., that's lower torque than IS350's 277.
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ? There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.
We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
Edmunds inside line tested the M3 at only 5.5 sec. 0-60mph LINK HERE You don't know how "slow " the M3 can be huh ?
There are a couple more >5 sec times for the M3 HERE and HERE , and I'm sure there are more if you really look.We all know that M3 had been tested as low as 4.6 sec. 0-60 mph, but I don't think we can conclude all those sub-5 seconds times tested for the M3 are suspect, just as the fact that edmunds tested the IS350 at 6 sec. does not make the 5.1 sec.by C & D suspect.
There's nothing unusual about different sources getting a wide range of results tested under different conditions with different drivers, the faster times are neither more nor less REAL than the slower ones.
what i would challenge is though, will we see faster speed from the is350 later on than the 5.1 we see here? i can't say definitely, but i am guessing "no". maybe someone will be crazy enough to do test of the is350 against the m3 if they feel the is350 is that much over the 330i, and we will see how it goes.
but i think you are taking my post the wrong way though. the reason i posted about the m3 was to say that although the m3 ONLY has 333hp, it can do mid 4. that means the is350 with relatively close hp and more tq, i am NOT surprised that it's doing low 5!!!!
09-01-05, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by maz
Yes, it is true that the M3 has 333hp, but isn't that with the old SAE ratings. If you adjust the M3 hp ratings to follow the new standard, then the hp gap between the IS350 and the M3 will be much smaller.
09-01-05, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
maybe the e36 m3 is old, but the e46 is still holding its ground very strong imho. especially on the handling
09-01-05, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
. . . but i think you are taking my post the wrong way though. the reason i posted about the m3 was to say that although the m3 ONLY has 333hp, it can do mid 4. that means the is350 with relatively close hp and more tq, i am NOT surprised that it's doing low 5!!!!
My post simply illustrates that many tests cannot get 4.8 -4.6 second range that people often raved about the M3, but that does not invalidate the fact that the M3 is capable of being this fast when driven under the most ideal conditions by the right drivers. Similarly, the IS350 can also do low 5's under the best of circumstances, even though some other tests may not achieve the same fast times.
09-01-05, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bluestar
The Lexus response to the next M3 is the 400HP IS500. Due here by MY2007/08-ish...
09-01-05, 05:41 PM
#180
Originally Posted by rominl
maybe the e36 m3 is old, but the e46 is still holding its ground very strong imho. especially on the handling
as to the posts about crazy CD numbers for IS, thank god this was an comparo with other cars persent. G35 and TL times were quite comparable to normal results and show just how much faster IS350 is.
If this was single test of IS350, obviously it could have been very suspect... but it wasnt - there were other cars on the track, driven under same conditions and same drivers.