SGM or Black Onyx?
#31
Thanks Picus! What if anything do you think about the possibility that SGM won't be remotely popular in say a few years down the road, when I may be hoping to upgrade to the coupe I suppose for resale, it's safter to go with black? Then again, I hate to buy ANYTHING with only "resale" in mind!
#32
Originally Posted by ES3
Thanks Picus! What if anything do you think about the possibility that SGM won't be remotely popular in say a few years down the road, when I may be hoping to upgrade to the coupe I suppose for resale, it's safter to go with black? Then again, I hate to buy ANYTHING with only "resale" in mind!
#33
I also don't think resale of SGM will be any worse than the black. In fact, it will probably look newer than the black.
The only way you can go wrong w/ resale is desert sage as someone mentioned or worse yet, that gold color.
The only way you can go wrong w/ resale is desert sage as someone mentioned or worse yet, that gold color.
#34
Originally Posted by picus
SGM doesn't have an extra clear coat, it just has a clear coat period. Black Onyx doesn't. That's not to say BO is worse than SGM, it's just single stage paint while SGM is two stage paint. That means BO has the acrylic enamels than make up a clear coat mixed right into the pigmented paint, while SGM has a layer of pigmented paint covered by a layer of clear paint.
#35
Originally Posted by sick121
I purchased a smokey granite IS350, with Black interior and I think the color is nicer in person than what the pictures on this forum show. I too was torn between the SGM and the Blk/Blk. And in the end SMG won me over. Go around to various dealerships and check out all the colors. And you'll see the all the colors in various states, from spotless on the showroom floor, to slightly dirty out on the lot.
#36
Originally Posted by ES3
Congrats again on the purchase. Curious, how would you compare the color of your car to the Flint Mica on the GS?
I will post my pics of the same cars/event tonight.
#38
Originally Posted by ES3
Do most black painted cars have the acrylic enamels mixed in the paint? Or do most put a clear coat on top of the black paint ie... 2 stage?
Why do they do it? I don't know their specfic reasoning but single stage does have a couple advantages, mainly it usually leaves the factory with much less "orange peel", it can be color-sanded, and it's easier to touchup. It's also slightly thicker as a whole than the clear coat layer of two stage paint, meaning you can lose more of it and still be ok. The disadvantage are that it's a little more difficult to correct minor scratches on and it is slightly less durable (more prone to oxidization) over many years (I'm talking 15+ years in harsh conditions).
#39
Wonder why they'd keep implementing single stage? Which technology has been around longer? Mixing--single stage? I know you said single stage is easier to touch up with paint, which is easier, if EITHER, to detail?
#40
Originally Posted by ES3
Wonder why they'd keep implementing single stage? Which technology has been around longer? Mixing--single stage? I know you said single stage is easier to touch up with paint, which is easier, if EITHER, to detail?
For detailing I think overall two stage is easier, since you have a clear coat to work with on top of the pigmented paint. However you have to be more careful with two stage since there is the danger of going through the clear coat, which would cause the pigmented coat to oxidize very quickly. Also, the reason touchups are easier on single stage is because there is no clear coat to match when you're touching up, but touchups are more rare than minor scratch/swirl repair, where two stage is easier.
Either way I wouldn't *not* buy a car because it was single stage. Actually being a detailer I'd like the idea of being able to color-sand it, which is impossible on two stage paint. Most folks won't do that, but I still don't think single or two stage should really impact the color decision.
For the record, I haven't worked on a black IS250/350 yet, so I haven't confirmed first hand that they are single stage, but other detailers have and since the IS300 black was it makes sense. I do know that IS300 black was very nice paint, so I can only presume that the IS250/350 black is too.
#41
Thanks Picus. You are a WEALTH of info. I can see you're passionate about your craft!
Now I'll go back to my debate on the SGM vs. Black. BTW, from what you understand, how might Lexus create the SGM, do they mix several colors? Do they put down gray then add metallic? I'm curious as to why I sometimes see different colors than gray and black in the SGM pictures? Honestly, I don't care for the purple/blue/green hues I sometimes see, but since I mostly see a really cool dark metallic gray, that's why I'm still intrigued with SGM!
Now I'll go back to my debate on the SGM vs. Black. BTW, from what you understand, how might Lexus create the SGM, do they mix several colors? Do they put down gray then add metallic? I'm curious as to why I sometimes see different colors than gray and black in the SGM pictures? Honestly, I don't care for the purple/blue/green hues I sometimes see, but since I mostly see a really cool dark metallic gray, that's why I'm still intrigued with SGM!
#42
Originally Posted by ES3
Thanks Picus. You are a WEALTH of info. I can see you're passionate about your craft!
Now I'll go back to my debate on the SGM vs. Black. BTW, from what you understand, how might Lexus create the SGM, do they mix several colors? Do they put down gray then add metallic? I'm curious as to why I sometimes see different colors than gray and black in the SGM pictures? Honestly, I don't care for the purple/blue/green hues I sometimes see, but since I mostly see a really cool dark metallic gray, that's why I'm still intrigued with SGM!
Now I'll go back to my debate on the SGM vs. Black. BTW, from what you understand, how might Lexus create the SGM, do they mix several colors? Do they put down gray then add metallic? I'm curious as to why I sometimes see different colors than gray and black in the SGM pictures? Honestly, I don't care for the purple/blue/green hues I sometimes see, but since I mostly see a really cool dark metallic gray, that's why I'm still intrigued with SGM!
#44
I think the flake are metallic silver, so the possibilities of the hues you might see reflected in them is kind of endless. It might have a lot to do with the light you see it in, which I suspect was their intention.
#45
Originally Posted by picus
I think the flake are metallic silver, so the possibilities of the hues you might see reflected in them is kind of endless. It might have a lot to do with the light you see it in, which I suspect was their intention.