IS 250 HP/Speed
01-15-06, 09:03 PM
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IS 250 HP/Speed
Ok guys Im not sure what to do. I dont have the cash for the IS350 especially since they are selling for MSRP and I dont think that will let down anytime soon. However, I have been hearing from several people that the IS250 is "slow, slow, slowww" as they put it compared to a maxima, camry ect. Yet from other people I hear its quick....So what is the deal here? BTW I am coming from an Auto V6 Accord 2001 that had about 200hp how will the IS250 compare? I dont know what to do because the dealership I went to at the time didnt have any IS250's to test drive, only the IS350. I would be willing to pony up for the IS350 if I could get it for at least 35k, which is 1k off sticker...I cant wait for demand to drop either since I currently dont have a car ) lost mine in hurricane Katrina here in New Orleans..) Would appreciate some help guys!
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01-15-06, 09:37 PM
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If your Accord was 100hp then you will be fine with an IS250 which has 200 something HP. It will feel fast compared to the accord. You could also check cars.com for used IS350s - I have seen a couple. There was one with the prefered package and nav for 37,500 (well he was asking 39, so I am sure you can talk him down to 35ish. There were a couple others.
But, if the Accord had 100hp (which I would think the v6 accord woudl have more than that) - then you will be fine with the IS250.
But, if the Accord had 100hp (which I would think the v6 accord woudl have more than that) - then you will be fine with the IS250.
01-15-06, 10:43 PM
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my accord was 200hp....But I hear that honda's/acura's have weak low end while totyota/lexus have better low end...I hated not having good low end since I mainly do more city driving than hwy. But I always felt I wanted some more hp after driving a maxima, G35, acura TL: all cars with 260 and up hp....So I dunno 200hp just might not cut it...I just read that the new G35 is slated for march so I might wait for that.
01-15-06, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pivo154
my accord was 200hp....But I hear that honda's/acura's have weak low end while totyota/lexus have better low end...I hated not having good low end since I mainly do more city driving than hwy. But I always felt I wanted some more hp after driving a maxima, G35, acura TL: all cars with 260 and up hp....So I dunno 200hp just might not cut it...I just read that the new G35 is slated for march so I might wait for that.
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01-15-06, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kermee
Not sure but on the 250's, you aren't going to see max torque until you're around 4800 RPM's.
01-15-06, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
The IS250 has an almost perfectly FLAT torque band, achieving 95% of the maximum torque from 2,000rpm. So which RPM the peak torque occurs at really does not matter here.
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01-16-06, 03:18 AM
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Needless to say, I truely regret getting the IS 250 (was too in a hurry to get one. Got it at the beginning of Nov where it just barely came out). What you heard about Lexus/Toyota having good low-ends are correct Pivo. The 250 does have a pretty good low end-pwr/acceleration however, its high-end and torque is horrible for such a heavy car, Slow slow slooww. Save yourself the headache and future regrets just save up some more, get the IS 350. I use to have a supt up 99 Honda Prelude that had 217 HP to the wheel. And now this... 
01-16-06, 04:45 AM
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I love my IS250. It has plenty enough power for myself as an everyday driver. It could be that I'm in my mid 30s and really don't care about driving agressively everywhere I go. This past weekend I drove about 250 miles on the interstate and it cruised all day long at 80 mph with quick bursts to 90-95 for passing while averaging 31.4 mpg. It gave me a smooth comfortable ride and I really did not notice the speed I was traveling at. It's no sports car but the 250 was never intended to be one.
01-16-06, 06:53 AM
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Oi! Thanks, XeroK00L. Good catch! I was just reciting from memory but didn't realize the torque band was that flat.
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01-16-06, 07:20 AM
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If you haven't been happy with the power of your V6 Accord you'll be even less happy with the IS 250. Unlike the BMW 325 vs. 330, there's a huge difference between the 250 and 350.
I did drive the 250 with a manual. It might feel stronger with an automatic. This usually isn't true, but sometimes it is.
On the other hand, if getting a grand off the IS 350 is all that's holding you back there, I'd say go ahead and get it. A thousand dollars should not be making this decision for you. (And I say this as someone who's usually a bargain hunter who never pays full price.) It's just not that much if you plan to keep the car for three or more years.
I did drive the 250 with a manual. It might feel stronger with an automatic. This usually isn't true, but sometimes it is.
On the other hand, if getting a grand off the IS 350 is all that's holding you back there, I'd say go ahead and get it. A thousand dollars should not be making this decision for you. (And I say this as someone who's usually a bargain hunter who never pays full price.) It's just not that much if you plan to keep the car for three or more years.
01-16-06, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by vp911
Is that the same for the IS350?
Torque is not a problem in the 350. It feels strong throughout the rev band.
01-16-06, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by vp911
Is that the same for the IS350?
Originally Posted by heffergm
The torque curves for both engines look basically the same in terms of shape, although the 350 does get a nice bump in output around 4000 rpm.
(I am now able to answer the above question thanks to reading the in-depth analysis posted by magneto112. Thanks man!
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Originally Posted by SAE 2GR-FSE analysis
The 2GR-FSE employs what may be described as “hybrid direct-injection, port-injection strategy,” the only known such system among volume production engines in the “emission control zone,” according to Abe. He cites a sample operating condition at 1200 rpm with a 60% load ratio: with direct-injection alone, fuel tends to form in lumps due to heavier fuel volume and slow piston speed, lengthening combustion duration, and thus limiting torque output. On the other hand, port-injection alone would not necessarily be better. Adding 30 to 40% direct-injection to port-injection accelerates gas flow, significantly improves torque output.
Injection ratio between the two injectors is continuously varied—for example 30 to 40% in a specific parameter, and increased to 50 to 60% in another zone—optimizing the mix and distribution. Ultimately in high-rpm zone, 100-perecent direct-injection is used to obtain higher torque. Simply stated, the ratio is dependant on rpm and load, but its control is extremely intricate and complex—for example, not impairing the system’s learning ability,” Abe said. “It is stepless; nevertheless, each process is carefully preserved, all based on our accumulation of dual-injector knowledge and experiences since the early 1990s, obtaining more than 300 patents.”
Injection ratio between the two injectors is continuously varied—for example 30 to 40% in a specific parameter, and increased to 50 to 60% in another zone—optimizing the mix and distribution. Ultimately in high-rpm zone, 100-perecent direct-injection is used to obtain higher torque. Simply stated, the ratio is dependant on rpm and load, but its control is extremely intricate and complex—for example, not impairing the system’s learning ability,” Abe said. “It is stepless; nevertheless, each process is carefully preserved, all based on our accumulation of dual-injector knowledge and experiences since the early 1990s, obtaining more than 300 patents.”
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01-16-06, 12:37 PM
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Well I usually dont drive aggressively since I do more city driving than hwy. But when I had my accord it was slow to me but I didnt care. But since my accord was the first car I ever owned I just feel that Im missing out on having a fast car since Ive never owned one...That is the reason I looked into getting a G35 because it was RWD and had a beefy engine...I just want to own a fast car once in my life before I get old and just dont care for those things anymore...I dont know, if the rumors on the new G35 are true and its coming in March I might wait for that...It should be the new hot car on the road.