Break in period
#46
Originally Posted by mwaull
Is the early services a good idea? im used to servicing my car every 3,000 miles (performance sports cars, engines, etc) so this wouldnt be a big deal. I just figured this might be a good idea, but my salesman said the first service was for 5k.
#47
Originally Posted by mwaull
Is the early services a good idea? im used to servicing my car every 3,000 miles (performance sports cars, engines, etc) so this wouldnt be a big deal. I just figured this might be a good idea, but my salesman said the first service was for 5k.
2. initial new engine run - first 2k miles - may create more abrasive debris which should be flushed early.
#48
geez do lexus owners ever drive their cars to the ground? i literally burned rubber pulling out of the dealer lot and have done this on every new car purchse. never had an engine wear problem before it was time for trade in
#52
Lexus Test Driver
My car has 200 miles on it now, and I have to admit to...er...rapid acceleration, once or twice.
Think about what new cars go through during test drives. Also consider that the 11 miles or so on my car when I picked it up (special order) probably weren't from a calm drive around the block.
The break in period is also a bit arbitrary. If the car was an American vehicle, the break in would probably be about 1,000 miles. There would be people here having fits at others for flooring it at 900 miles, which apparently is ok with the ISx50 because metric is its first language.
Think about what new cars go through during test drives. Also consider that the 11 miles or so on my car when I picked it up (special order) probably weren't from a calm drive around the block.
The break in period is also a bit arbitrary. If the car was an American vehicle, the break in would probably be about 1,000 miles. There would be people here having fits at others for flooring it at 900 miles, which apparently is ok with the ISx50 because metric is its first language.
#53
Racer
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Originally Posted by casey225
I didn't worry about break in either. Just drove it like any other car, I stomped it occasionally to pass someone, but never redlined it, which I try not to do anyway.
To be honest though, if everything is in the interest of longevity, and needs to be specific, I don't understand why car makes neglect to emphasize engine hours as the standard for measurement, which would be far more accurate than miles. A car which spends most of its time in city traffic could see engine operation for 3+ hours, and drive less than 20 miles, while another vehicle, traveling by highway with less traffic, can travel a distance of 40 miles within 30 minutes. The miles covered alone don't say much about which engine is seeing more wear.
#54
Super Moderator
Originally Posted by Shinobi-X
To be honest though, if everything is in the interest of longevity, and needs to be specific, I don't understand why car makes neglect to emphasize engine hours as the standard for measurement, which would be far more accurate than miles. A car which spends most of its time in city traffic could see engine operation for 3+ hours, and drive less than 20 miles, while another vehicle, traveling by highway with less traffic, can travel a distance of 40 miles within 30 minutes. The miles covered alone don't say much about which engine is seeing more wear.
Using hours as a gauge is not terribly accurate, since there is a big difference between an hour crusing lazily down the highway, an hour spent in traffic, and an hour spent at the drag strip or track.
Rather than using miles or hours, there is a technological solution, used by BMW is their newer cars. The computer takes into account vehicle usage and driving style, dynamically calculates the ervice interval, and displays progress through it with a series of green, amber and red lights. I suspect that Lexus and their dealers wouldn't like that system, since it generally results in significantly longer intervals than their extremely conservative 5,000 mile fixed intervals.
#55
I may be buying out of state and the drive back is a 12hr drive with 700miles...duriung the drive there will be a couple sections of going up high elevations and going down.. like going through (Highway 5 South) to LA and even more up hill going on the (Highway 10) through AZ
speed limit zones of 75-80.... I'm thinking i may be pushing it too hard if i do a 12hr drive straight... if it was more flat land driving i wouldn't really be that concerned but it is gonna push it... also a good amount of the drive will have just 2 lanes in each direction.. and there are a lot of semi's/ large trucks on the road.. and if i need to make a pass i would have to push it plus while driving up to high elevations
should i be worried?
speed limit zones of 75-80.... I'm thinking i may be pushing it too hard if i do a 12hr drive straight... if it was more flat land driving i wouldn't really be that concerned but it is gonna push it... also a good amount of the drive will have just 2 lanes in each direction.. and there are a lot of semi's/ large trucks on the road.. and if i need to make a pass i would have to push it plus while driving up to high elevations
should i be worried?
#56
Tech Info Resource
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Any Engine Builders here?
I've been building engines for street and competition for about 26 years. "Going easy on it" is a surefire way to make the manufacturer happy. Why? The rings will never seat properly, and the engine will die an earlier death. How do I know? LOTS of engines.
Break-in easy? Lower compression numbers. More oil migration above the rings, more carbon build up above the top ring land, LESS POWER.
Break-in with specific procedure? Higher compression numbers, cleaner pistons, almost no carbon above the top ring land, and MORE POWER.
Break-in has nothing to do with rpm, and everything to do with thermal load. The piston is either cast or forged, and both of these processes leave the metal's crystalline structure a little bit jumbled. The way to resolve these cast or forged in stresses is to gradually heat the piston over a number of increasing thermal cycles with a cooling period in between each stress cycle to allow the piston to resize itself and the metal's grain structure to take a set.
All engines need a break-in period, but the duration of that period and how it is accomplished vary quite a bit.
Click here for an example of what I mean. This particular car made significantly more power than the typical C-5 Corvette. The owner is a friend of mine, and used my break-in procedure. It is also the same procedure used by this guy and he came to the same conclusions I reached for the same reasons. It works. Better than anything the factory recommends.
AFA the brakes - you just need to bed in the pads. If you know how to bed in brake, just do it, and you're good. You can do it in about 10 minutes if you know what you're doing. The pads and rotors will love you for it, and they'll last a whole lot longer. Click here for theory and instructions.
Break-in easy? Lower compression numbers. More oil migration above the rings, more carbon build up above the top ring land, LESS POWER.
Break-in with specific procedure? Higher compression numbers, cleaner pistons, almost no carbon above the top ring land, and MORE POWER.
Break-in has nothing to do with rpm, and everything to do with thermal load. The piston is either cast or forged, and both of these processes leave the metal's crystalline structure a little bit jumbled. The way to resolve these cast or forged in stresses is to gradually heat the piston over a number of increasing thermal cycles with a cooling period in between each stress cycle to allow the piston to resize itself and the metal's grain structure to take a set.
All engines need a break-in period, but the duration of that period and how it is accomplished vary quite a bit.
Click here for an example of what I mean. This particular car made significantly more power than the typical C-5 Corvette. The owner is a friend of mine, and used my break-in procedure. It is also the same procedure used by this guy and he came to the same conclusions I reached for the same reasons. It works. Better than anything the factory recommends.
AFA the brakes - you just need to bed in the pads. If you know how to bed in brake, just do it, and you're good. You can do it in about 10 minutes if you know what you're doing. The pads and rotors will love you for it, and they'll last a whole lot longer. Click here for theory and instructions.
#57
Super Moderator
Originally Posted by lobuxracer
"Going easy on it" is a surefire way to make the manufacturer happy. Why? The rings will never seat properly, and the engine will die an earlier death.
#58
I heart Honda
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Originally Posted by CeoStatus0
I may be buying out of state and the drive back is a 12hr drive with 700miles...duriung the drive there will be a couple sections of going up high elevations and going down.. like going through (Highway 5 South) to LA and even more up hill going on the (Highway 10) through AZ
speed limit zones of 75-80.... I'm thinking i may be pushing it too hard if i do a 12hr drive straight... if it was more flat land driving i wouldn't really be that concerned but it is gonna push it... also a good amount of the drive will have just 2 lanes in each direction.. and there are a lot of semi's/ large trucks on the road.. and if i need to make a pass i would have to push it plus while driving up to high elevations
should i be worried?
speed limit zones of 75-80.... I'm thinking i may be pushing it too hard if i do a 12hr drive straight... if it was more flat land driving i wouldn't really be that concerned but it is gonna push it... also a good amount of the drive will have just 2 lanes in each direction.. and there are a lot of semi's/ large trucks on the road.. and if i need to make a pass i would have to push it plus while driving up to high elevations
should i be worried?
Just joking
Your car will be fine. You did not buy a piece of crap that will fall apart, did you? My personal break in procedure was driving normal. Drive like how you would normally drive on public roads.
#59
Originally Posted by CeoStatus0
I may be buying out of state and the drive back is a 12hr drive with 700miles...duriung the drive there will be a couple sections of going up high elevations and going down.. like going through (Highway 5 South) to LA and even more up hill going on the (Highway 10) through AZ
speed limit zones of 75-80.... I'm thinking i may be pushing it too hard if i do a 12hr drive straight... if it was more flat land driving i wouldn't really be that concerned but it is gonna push it... also a good amount of the drive will have just 2 lanes in each direction.. and there are a lot of semi's/ large trucks on the road.. and if i need to make a pass i would have to push it plus while driving up to high elevations
should i be worried?
speed limit zones of 75-80.... I'm thinking i may be pushing it too hard if i do a 12hr drive straight... if it was more flat land driving i wouldn't really be that concerned but it is gonna push it... also a good amount of the drive will have just 2 lanes in each direction.. and there are a lot of semi's/ large trucks on the road.. and if i need to make a pass i would have to push it plus while driving up to high elevations
should i be worried?
It's better than all flat driving. You don't want to set your cruise control. It is more important to not travel large distances at the same RPM while breaking in. I know 700 miles will be tough. I would at least change you speed setting every 30 miles at least. If it where my car, I would not set it at all and have fun driving it back.
As another poster said. Just dive it normal. Just not the same speed for fthe first 500-1000 miles!!
Congrats and enjoy!
#60
Super Moderator
Originally Posted by golfproatl
It's better than all flat driving. You don't want to set your cruise control. It is more important to not travel large distances at the same RPM while breaking in. I know 700 miles will be tough. I would at least change you speed setting every 30 miles at least. If it where my car, I would not set it at all and have fun driving it back.
As another poster said. Just dive it normal. Just not the same speed for fthe first 500-1000 miles!!
Congrats and enjoy!
As another poster said. Just dive it normal. Just not the same speed for fthe first 500-1000 miles!!
Congrats and enjoy!