is 250 vs es350
#46
#47
Having also driven the new Avalon and Camry I definitely take exception to those who think these cars are like the ES350. The feel and drive and utter luxury of the ES350 is not to be compared with either car. The power train has been tweaked between the models to give different power curves, performance, and mileage. The sharper lines of the ES350 are better looking too.
#48
I'm relatively new to Lexus, and sedans in general, but here's how I see it.
ES, Entry-level luxury sedan.
IS, Entry-level sports sedan.
Lexus is in a unique position to offer cars for both markets, because they are trying to expand their brand into a different market. BMW and Mercedes, already have preconceptions in the public of how those cars should be, and it's reflected in their design and performance.
Lexus doesn't, IMO, have the same inroads in the public's mind. Sure, you expect a certain level of luxury and class, but when I talk to people I know who own a Lexus, they all have somewhat different reasons for going Lexus (I'm not talking about people in this board in this generalization).
So they can focus on their luxury cars, but being Toyota they also have the resources to fire a shot across BMW's bow. Now, as an enthusiast who would have never considered a Lexus, I know want one. Badly.
ES, Entry-level luxury sedan.
IS, Entry-level sports sedan.
Lexus is in a unique position to offer cars for both markets, because they are trying to expand their brand into a different market. BMW and Mercedes, already have preconceptions in the public of how those cars should be, and it's reflected in their design and performance.
Lexus doesn't, IMO, have the same inroads in the public's mind. Sure, you expect a certain level of luxury and class, but when I talk to people I know who own a Lexus, they all have somewhat different reasons for going Lexus (I'm not talking about people in this board in this generalization).
So they can focus on their luxury cars, but being Toyota they also have the resources to fire a shot across BMW's bow. Now, as an enthusiast who would have never considered a Lexus, I know want one. Badly.
#49
I have both the IS250 and ES350. Both are completely different cars, comparing apples to oranges. IS has the sporty feel and looks (my opinion a better looking car than the ES). ES is good for traveling with passengers and is smoother and more quiet. I like both....just completely different cars.
#50
i've always thought that the current IS and ES are essentially the same car but marketed towards different age groups. The IS attracting a younger audience because of its sporty looks and the ES geared towards an older group because of its slightly more conservative appearence.
#51
i've always thought that the current IS and ES are essentially the same car but marketed towards different age groups. The IS attracting a younger audience because of its sporty looks and the ES geared towards an older group because of its slightly more conservative appearence.
-Brian
#53
Having come from a fully loaded Camry XLE package, the ES was just too close in looks for me to really consider. I have no need for the back seat of me car 99% of the time and was looking for something sporty and fun to drive. Also I was tired of having a car that I passed "myself" a 100 times a day (I mean like the same car down to the color and packaging). For me the IS was the perfect match.
While I did give up a bit of room for the IS, the luxury, sheer fun of driving and gas mileage on the car has way made up for the difference.
While I did give up a bit of room for the IS, the luxury, sheer fun of driving and gas mileage on the car has way made up for the difference.
#54
It's funny that my co-worker bought the ES, and all my other co-workers were all saying "nice camry ". And therefore, I would say:
ES = Fully loaded Camry (FWD)
IS = Intelligent Sport. (RWD or AWD on 250)
Now, would you go for a Fully loaded Camry or Intelligent Sport with about the same price?
ES = Fully loaded Camry (FWD)
IS = Intelligent Sport. (RWD or AWD on 250)
Now, would you go for a Fully loaded Camry or Intelligent Sport with about the same price?
Last edited by viettho; 09-05-06 at 08:56 AM.
#55
It's all about priorities. Not a lot of money and need NAV? Camry. Want entry level Luxury, but not sporty handling, and need more back seat room? ES. Want top of class power and handling, and no NAV? IS350 Base.
Lexus/Toyota designed the different models with different target audiences in mind and obviously all are selling, otherwise they wouldn't have a need for the different models.
I think the Camry starts at about $18k, so the whole deal on that is that you can get people to walk into the dealership expecting $18k, then lay into them on packages and options, and get them up and up. Maybe you don't get them to $29k, but how about the guy that was looking to spend $25k and suddenly walks away with a loaded $29k, Camry? He may not even have considered that he could own a Lexus, or maybe his priorities are different. Not everyone wants to own the IS or the ES.
-Brian
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