Fujita F5 IS HERE!!
08-08-06, 03:18 PM
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Al503, you have certainly enlightened us all with your complete lack of information based on absolutely nothiing to back it up. Now TWO manufacturers have gotten on this thread and posted results and information. You seem to know more than both of them combined with your lack of data, information, and seemingly knowledge in general. We have heard your opinion and are tired of hearing it quite honestly.
I'm sure EVERYONE on the board appreciates your care for those that may be seperating money from there wallet, as well as the fact you have posted so many items in your signature that you "want/ordered/considering" to have. Let's leave the opinions for those that actually own the items that they're commenting on.
I'm sure EVERYONE on the board appreciates your care for those that may be seperating money from there wallet, as well as the fact you have posted so many items in your signature that you "want/ordered/considering" to have. Let's leave the opinions for those that actually own the items that they're commenting on.
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08-08-06, 03:34 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by MeTrO
Al503, you have certainly enlightened us all with your complete lack of information based on absolutely nothiing to back it up. Now TWO manufacturers have gotten on this thread and posted results and information. You seem to know more than both of them combined with your lack of data, information, and seemingly knowledge in general. We have heard your opinion and are tired of hearing it quite honestly.
I'm sure EVERYONE on the board appreciates your care for those that may be seperating money from there wallet, as well as the fact you have posted so many items in your signature that you "want" to have. Let's leave the opinions for those that actually own the items that they're commenting on.
I'm sure EVERYONE on the board appreciates your care for those that may be seperating money from there wallet, as well as the fact you have posted so many items in your signature that you "want" to have. Let's leave the opinions for those that actually own the items that they're commenting on.
2. Those two manufacturers can't answer my simple questions because they are wrong.
3. Is 2 items "so many?" Those "want's" are things that aren't available to us yet. If I could buy them, I would.
You keep telling me I'm wrong. Instead of attacking me, why don't you take a shot at my questions?
08-08-06, 07:43 PM
#138
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Interesting signature.
Dasgallow on IS300.net is in the process of doing a dyno shoot out with all the intakes and the combination of intakes and will be publishing the results in a magazine, so maybe after that is completed then there will be a "best" intake that is "proven" Then I can see this whole intake debate flaming up again when tests are done with an exhaust. Oh well.
"I'm working on getting the results of my intake shootout in a magazine, hence the delay. Mag might be providing the test car... still up in the air. I have all the products here, JoeZ + OEM filter + Blitz Filter + HKS filter, LMS, Fujita F5." Dasgalloway
Interesting signature.
Dasgallow on IS300.net is in the process of doing a dyno shoot out with all the intakes and the combination of intakes and will be publishing the results in a magazine, so maybe after that is completed then there will be a "best" intake that is "proven" Then I can see this whole intake debate flaming up again when tests are done with an exhaust. Oh well.
"I'm working on getting the results of my intake shootout in a magazine, hence the delay. Mag might be providing the test car... still up in the air. I have all the products here, JoeZ + OEM filter + Blitz Filter + HKS filter, LMS, Fujita F5." Dasgalloway
08-08-06, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by al503
2. Those two manufacturers can't answer my simple questions because they are wrong.
I am certainly not wrong about anything and I certainly do not owe you any answers.
Maybe you should re-word your sentence to properly reflect the information you desire..
Again - through numerous PM's in the past I have answered all your questions about my product, design, tests, etc...etc...
Thank you again for your informative and helpful post.
Joe
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08-08-06, 08:20 PM
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You know what candy, there is no debate....it's over. The numbers are in, and if Joe Z can be gentleman enough to accept the results for what they are, then who is anyone else to question them. One thing is for sure, Joe-Z and Ryan both have thoroughly impressed me with the way they have both handled this whole thing.
Ryan never said one bad thing about Joe Z's product and Joe Z never once questioned the results. To me, those are true professionals. I applaud all those who have read the results and drawn their own conclusions from them. Intakes aren't for everyone, but if you're in the market....here are some test results. The Fujita put out more power.....but it costs more money.....is the extra money worth the mid-range gains.....that's for the purchaser to decide.
The rest of the wannabe's can just keep adding things to their signature wish lists.
PS..out of respect for Joe-Z, I have adjusted my signature.
Ryan never said one bad thing about Joe Z's product and Joe Z never once questioned the results. To me, those are true professionals. I applaud all those who have read the results and drawn their own conclusions from them. Intakes aren't for everyone, but if you're in the market....here are some test results. The Fujita put out more power.....but it costs more money.....is the extra money worth the mid-range gains.....that's for the purchaser to decide.
The rest of the wannabe's can just keep adding things to their signature wish lists.
PS..out of respect for Joe-Z, I have adjusted my signature.
08-08-06, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Z
al503
Maybe you should re-word your sentence to properly reflect the information you desire..
Maybe you should re-word your sentence to properly reflect the information you desire..
Again - through numerous PM's in the past I have answered all your questions about my product, design, tests, etc...etc...
Again, I've asked for anyone to look at my arguments and correct me if I'm mistaken. Nothing more, nothing less. If someone can explain to me why my assertions are wrong and this is why, I'll be the first to apologize for my misunderstanding.
08-08-06, 09:27 PM
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I understand your questions, but I can not answer accurately for this particular test since I was not there..
But I'll do my best for you...
1) All the DYNO Tests to date on my intake, that I know of, were done in 4th gear... I am not really sure why they used 3rd gear..
In my independent tests, they only floored it in 4th once they passed the downshift rpm point for 3rd..
2) I really can't add anything besides the above. I can mention that my tests were done to measure Max Hp gains and Max Tq gains approaching full throttle in 4th gear.. once you have passed the lower gears..
This method has been widely used to Dyno the Old and New IS
Listen, no one ever said you were wrong...
All I did was Thank Fujita for taken the time to Dyno an IS350 with a stock intake, my intake and their intake...
I really had nothing to add or take away from their findings... or ask how they tested or the method they tested or why for that matter.
I already have all the test data for my product and Caymandive tested my product on his own and yeilded the same results on a different Coast..
For me to go on and on on this topic or to justify or explain Dyno's that I wasn't involved in, wouldn't really clear anything up...
They did the tests & they posted the results of their Dyno process..
That's really it!!
Thank You
Joe Z
P.S. - Your heat soak concerns were pretty much proven incorrect, as I knew already, by prelimanary testing from Dasgalloway on my.IS, if you need another link to read let me know.
But I'll do my best for you...
1) All the DYNO Tests to date on my intake, that I know of, were done in 4th gear... I am not really sure why they used 3rd gear..
In my independent tests, they only floored it in 4th once they passed the downshift rpm point for 3rd..
2) I really can't add anything besides the above. I can mention that my tests were done to measure Max Hp gains and Max Tq gains approaching full throttle in 4th gear.. once you have passed the lower gears..
This method has been widely used to Dyno the Old and New IS
Listen, no one ever said you were wrong...
All I did was Thank Fujita for taken the time to Dyno an IS350 with a stock intake, my intake and their intake...
I really had nothing to add or take away from their findings... or ask how they tested or the method they tested or why for that matter.
I already have all the test data for my product and Caymandive tested my product on his own and yeilded the same results on a different Coast..
For me to go on and on on this topic or to justify or explain Dyno's that I wasn't involved in, wouldn't really clear anything up...
They did the tests & they posted the results of their Dyno process..
That's really it!!
Thank You
Joe Z
P.S. - Your heat soak concerns were pretty much proven incorrect, as I knew already, by prelimanary testing from Dasgalloway on my.IS, if you need another link to read let me know.
Originally Posted by al503 (Post # 129)
"There will always be skeptics" is a cop out. Instead of just repeating what rt350's position on this, how about one (or both) of you guys actually explaining why the 'skeptics' are wrong?
I'll lay it out for you guys.
1. If you floor it at 3000 rpm in third, the car will invariably downshift into second gear for max acceleration. Therefore, any readings taken at this level can't be done with a full throttle, which will lead to inconsistent fuel delivery (feathering the throttle), which will in turn affect the plot.
Instead of the cop out, how about, something like "You're mistaken and here's why..."
2. At midrange RPM's, none of the intakes are going to be stressed or pushed for capacity. The engine will get all the air it needs. Where most aftermarket intakes shine (if they do at all) is in the upper RPM range where the OEM intake may not have enough flow/capacity. How are you guys trying to make us believe that we'll get a ~25% increase in HP from an intake when 25% would be a good result from a super/turbo charger? No intake is going to be able to cram an additional 5-7 PSI into the cylinder. This defies the laws of physics.
Again, a "You're mistaken and here's why..." would be appreciated. Otherwise, I take issue with your labeling those of us with concrete and cogent questions/arguments as "skeptics." I could be wrong in all of this. All I ask for are simple answers.
I'll lay it out for you guys.
1. If you floor it at 3000 rpm in third, the car will invariably downshift into second gear for max acceleration. Therefore, any readings taken at this level can't be done with a full throttle, which will lead to inconsistent fuel delivery (feathering the throttle), which will in turn affect the plot.
Instead of the cop out, how about, something like "You're mistaken and here's why..."
2. At midrange RPM's, none of the intakes are going to be stressed or pushed for capacity. The engine will get all the air it needs. Where most aftermarket intakes shine (if they do at all) is in the upper RPM range where the OEM intake may not have enough flow/capacity. How are you guys trying to make us believe that we'll get a ~25% increase in HP from an intake when 25% would be a good result from a super/turbo charger? No intake is going to be able to cram an additional 5-7 PSI into the cylinder. This defies the laws of physics.
Again, a "You're mistaken and here's why..." would be appreciated. Otherwise, I take issue with your labeling those of us with concrete and cogent questions/arguments as "skeptics." I could be wrong in all of this. All I ask for are simple answers.
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08-08-06, 09:35 PM
#144
Originally Posted by MeTrO
You know what candy, there is no debate....it's over. The numbers are in, and if Joe Z can be gentleman enough to accept the results for what they are, then who is anyone else to question them. One thing is for sure, Joe-Z and Ryan both have thoroughly impressed me with the way they have both handled this whole thing.
Ryan never said one bad thing about Joe Z's product and Joe Z never once questioned the results. To me, those are true professionals. I applaud all those who have read the results and drawn their own conclusions from them. Intakes aren't for everyone, but if you're in the market....here are some test results. The Fujita put out more power.....but it costs more money.....is the extra money worth the mid-range gains.....that's for the purchaser to decide.
The rest of the wannabe's can just keep adding things to their signature wish lists.
PS..out of respect for Joe-Z, I have adjusted my signature.
Ryan never said one bad thing about Joe Z's product and Joe Z never once questioned the results. To me, those are true professionals. I applaud all those who have read the results and drawn their own conclusions from them. Intakes aren't for everyone, but if you're in the market....here are some test results. The Fujita put out more power.....but it costs more money.....is the extra money worth the mid-range gains.....that's for the purchaser to decide.
The rest of the wannabe's can just keep adding things to their signature wish lists.
PS..out of respect for Joe-Z, I have adjusted my signature.
Couldnt agree with you more METRO. Both got my respect.
08-08-06, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Z
I understand your questions, but I can not answer accurately for this particular test since I was not there..
But I'll do my best for you...
1) All the DYNO Tests to date on my intake, that I know of, were done in 4th gear... I am not really sure why they used 3rd gear..
In my independent tests, they only floored it in 4th once they passed the downshift rpm point for 3rd..
But I'll do my best for you...
1) All the DYNO Tests to date on my intake, that I know of, were done in 4th gear... I am not really sure why they used 3rd gear..
In my independent tests, they only floored it in 4th once they passed the downshift rpm point for 3rd..
2) I really can't add anything besides the above. I can mention that my tests were done to measure Max Hp gains and Max Tq gains approaching full throttle in 4th gear.. once you have passed the lower gears..
This method has been widely used to Dyno the Old and New IS
This method has been widely used to Dyno the Old and New IS
P.S. - Your heat soak concerns were pretty much proven incorrect, as I knew already, by prelimanary testing from Dasgalloway on my.IS, if you need another link to read let me know.
BTW, I appreciate your responses. I may disagree with them, but I appreciate your professionalism.
08-08-06, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by al503
BTW, I appreciate your responses. I may disagree with them, but I appreciate your professionalism.
One thing I learned in life and espically through lessons learned is to always treat people the you would like to be treated.. Wether its over the phone, face to face or behind a key board..
Have a good night!!
Joe Z
08-08-06, 09:59 PM
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correct me if i am wrong but sreiously.. who gives damn~ they are both JUST intakes.. who cares if one performs more than the other because when you think about it.. its like what 3hp or 2hp diff (wild guess) because all intakes are generally the same....If you want to argue about power.. argue about who got a bigger turbo or somethingi dunno~ it will come down to preference of the buyer of what they want.
08-08-06, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ihkskim
correct me if i am wrong but sreiously.. who gives *****~ they are both intakes.. who cares if one performs more than the other because when you think about it.. its like what 3hp or 2hp diff? WOW.. it will come down to preference~
08-08-06, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Z
Hey No problem!!!!
One thing I learned in life and espically through lessons learned is to always treat people the you would like to be treated.. Wether its over the phone, face to face or behind a key board..
Have a good night!!
Joe Z
One thing I learned in life and espically through lessons learned is to always treat people the you would like to be treated.. Wether its over the phone, face to face or behind a key board..
Have a good night!!
Joe Z
08-09-06, 04:44 AM
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You guys might want to watch this thread on IS300.NET. Dasgalloway will be doing the intake testing soon. Then we can put this ever going debate behind us and we will be able to make an informative decision on which one we prefer.
http://my.is/forums/showthread.php?p...23#post4363023
http://my.is/forums/showthread.php?p...23#post4363023